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Brad 02-15-2002 04:59 PM

they won't listen, we've done it before. Go to the [h], and search their forums for a guy called 'hardware' I got kylie to ban him, and if you read his posts wit will be apparent why. Trust me there is no point emailing those arseholes

jaydee 02-15-2002 05:14 PM

I got it all hooked up and running 20C over water temp!!! :eek: :eek:

Worst part is I am running the XP1600 bone stock at 1400mhz 133FSB 1.75Vcore.

I am going to swap pumps around and remount the block again to rule out any install problems.

Brad 02-15-2002 05:41 PM

yet again, the only reply should be
TEE HEE...OHH HOOOOO OHHHH MYYYYYYY...HAHAHAHAHAHA HEEEEEEEHEEEEEEEEE HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH OHHH HOOOO..... Stop, my sides are hurting. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH HOOOOO HOOOOOOO HEEEEEEE HEEEEE HAAAAAAA HAAAAAA...........


uhhh, aren't you normally getting like 5C over water temp?

jaydee 02-15-2002 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad
uhhh, aren't you normally getting like 5C over water temp?
Yep and overclocked about 8C over. I found a major problem and that is the edge of the copper bottom where it fit at the hump of the socket it waaaaaay to tight there. I had to push it down to get it off the rise if the socket, and then it dosn't like to screw down very well. For a newbie this can mean a toasted CPU!!! it would have been simple to make it fit a lot better.

I reworked my system to where it is just like my normal setup but with 1/2" hoses to fit on the barbs. Once the sealant dries I will fire it back up.

I still have not figured out why the put that HUGE Al top on there. Any decent block dosn't get much heat to the top. They say it is to remove heat, but the heat shouldn't make it up there in the first place.

Their mounting system sucks to say the least. Why they couldn't just use the normal holes and forget about the stupid plastic adapters is beyond me. This block was not well thought out at all. I am amazed they figured out how to mill it. Who ever came up with the idea has hit the crack pipe a few to many times.

Brad 02-15-2002 07:53 PM

the adapter was for use with socket 478 and socket a and so on, but from what I've heard with user experiences, it's a half assed attempt at pleasing everyone

jaydee 02-15-2002 08:33 PM

Well I give up!!! I got the flow rate up, got it properly mounted, ect... I got it to 15C over water temp at 40C load.

Pretty freeking sorry for a $40-$50 block!!! That was a default with the Xp1600+ aswell.

I just dropped on an Air cooler and it is running 37C load with 23C room temp at defaults. It is a $9 cooler to boot!!!

That outfit is there to screw people out of their money. Over priced crap!!!

pHaestus 02-15-2002 09:20 PM

I have tested air cooling solutions that are 14-15C over room temp (measured with diode) using a 1600+ at default.

jaydee 02-15-2002 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pHaestus
I have tested air cooling solutions that are 14-15C over room temp (measured with diode) using a 1600+ at default.
problem with this one is it is loud!!! it has a 36CFM 60mm on it. It is actually a good cooler, just to loud.

jaydee 02-15-2002 09:26 PM

http://www.dorrellco.com/Z4/006.JPG
http://www.dorrellco.com/Z4/007.JPG
http://www.dorrellco.com/Z4/008.JPG
http://www.dorrellco.com/Z4/009.JPG
http://www.dorrellco.com/Z4/010.JPG
http://www.dorrellco.com/Z4/011.JPG
http://www.dorrellco.com/Z4/012.JPG

Brad 02-15-2002 10:08 PM

I've got an idea, just mill out all the channels and run it as an open block, and see what happens

schoolie 02-15-2002 10:18 PM

I definitely want it back now, JD!

On a serious note, I just got my InnovaCool block and I like what I see:) I just have to wait on my thread adapters before I can actually use it. It's a heavy block, for it's size. Looks like it's a huge copper cylinder with ribbing cut into the sides and bonded to a big anodized AL casing. The bottom of the copper is polished to a beautiful mirror finish.

jaydee 02-15-2002 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad
I've got an idea, just mill out all the channels and run it as an open block, and see what happens
I think that is what I will do actually. It is the only thing I can really do anyway. All the holes are in the wrong spot to do anything else. Being I already have the freeking mounts in place I just as well try it.

I just don't understand the way this thing is put together.:confused:

Why did the mill the top of the channel walls and then the top peice??? Dosn't that defeat the whole purpose of having a channel in the first place? And then the over lapping barbs, and then the 1/16" thick base? WTF where they thinking. This is a total waste of time milling this crap. This great machine work should be put to better use with a good block!!!.

pHaestus 02-15-2002 10:33 PM

schoolie with a bit of muscle you can fit 1/2" barb x 1/4" NPT into that Innovatek:

http://www.voidyourwarranty.net/imag...innovatech.jpg

schoolie 02-16-2002 12:07 AM

Thanks pHaestus! I don't have the patience to wait three days:)

Brad 02-16-2002 01:32 AM

yeah, as far as I can see the water just goes straight across the top of the fins, and out the exit, it doesn't go through the channels at all.

jaydee 02-16-2002 10:11 AM

I miiled the channels out and left about 1/64" to create a little turbulance.
http://www.dorrellco.com/Z4/013.JPG

Now to figure out how to get this black crap off.:rolleyes:

pHaestus 02-16-2002 10:48 AM

NOW we are getting somewhere ROFL

jaydee 02-16-2002 11:39 AM

Got it all hooked up and running 10C over water temp at 39C load. Still have not overclocked any though. Will raise the Vcore and speed here in a little while.

sunblade 02-16-2002 01:05 PM

Should I link this thread to a one at the overclockers.com forums? Sadly, they seem to think that the Z4 is a "top performer" over there in the same league as the maze2 and such, but this thread makes my stomach churn. That block is pretty funny, but I wouldn't be so jolly if I bought one.

jaydee 02-16-2002 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sunblade
Should I link this thread to a one at the overclockers.com forums? Sadly, they seem to think that the Z4 is a "top performer" over there in the same league as the maze2 and such, but this thread makes my stomach churn. That block is pretty funny, but I wouldn't be so jolly if I bought one.
Sure.

Running the XP1600+@1523mhz 145FSB 2.05Vcore and now 11C over water temp at 41C load. I think I made a usuable block of it.

Brad 02-16-2002 03:00 PM

heh, this just keeps on getting funnier

with no channels in it whatsoever it performs better. Keep on posting us updates jaydee, it gives me a laugh for at least 10 minutes each time ;)

Fixittt 02-17-2002 04:05 AM

well, atleast we know there is room for improvments. What if you remade the base with a series of pins sticking up, of course you would want one directly over the core. I am very interested in seeing how that would preform.

jaydee 02-17-2002 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fixittt
well, atleast we know there is room for improvments. What if you remade the base with a series of pins sticking up, of course you would want one directly over the core. I am very interested in seeing how that would preform.
It would probably work. I don't think I am going to mess ith it anymore though. I got two blocks of my own I havn't finished yet.:D I need to put a center inlet in both with duel outlets.

This one:
http://www.dorrellco.com/aluminumWB3/004.jpg

and this one:
http://www.dorrellco.com/aluminumWB4/004.JPG

Those are todays and tomorrow's projects. Going out of town Wendsday for about 7 days. And then work "should" be getting more busy so my time will be limited more than it already is. I am really thinking about trying to find a more in town job, but there are not many jobs around here because 2 major companies have layed of hundreds of people and even BurgerKing stopped hiring.:D So I think I am stuck for another year at least.

mx-6* 02-17-2002 10:35 AM

LOL

And to think that I almost let some clown convince me to buy one of those kits. :shrug:

Fixittt 02-17-2002 07:55 PM

So what is to happen to the good ol z4 now? I would like to have a crack at it. See if I cant adapt a new bottom for it.

If the original owner has no objections of course....

jaydee 02-17-2002 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fixittt
So what is to happen to the good ol z4 now? I would like to have a crack at it. See if I cant adapt a new bottom for it.

If the original owner has no objections of course....

Yeah, I will ship ot to you. schoolie pretty much gave it away to me. I need to get his address thought so I can send him the shipping I owe him.

I am leaving Wendsday for CA for 7 days and I can ship it before then.

Fixittt 02-17-2002 09:35 PM

kewl, Ill work on getting my PIN block programmed and see if I cant adapt it to the Z4 top.

What does it need for mounting?

jaydee 02-17-2002 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fixittt
kewl, Ill work on getting my PIN block programmed and see if I cant adapt it to the Z4 top.

What does it need for mounting?

I will send the mounting stuff with it. You will have ti decide if you want to change it. it would have been nice if the holes matched the socket holes but they don't. That is what the plastic adapters are for.

http://www.dorrellco.com/Z4/006.JPG
http://www.dorrellco.com/Z4/007.JPG

Brad 02-18-2002 12:33 AM

so do we think that it is because of how thin the base of the block is?

jaydee 02-18-2002 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad
so do we think that it is because of how thin the base of the block is?
It dosn't help I don't think, but the main flaw was the 1/2" barbs with a 1/4" channel that didn't get used because of the gap they made.

Once the walls where milled out it was a much cooler block. 5-8C cooler!!! I am still running it and have been averaging 8-9C over water temp with the XP1600+@1534mhz 2.05Vcore 145FSB. That isn't to bad. If the base was thicker and larger with some type of added channels or something it might do even better.

Going to ship it off the Fixittt today.


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