How come is this? PIcs before and after pls!:eek:

What's your "reference block", the first one? Do you have any results from a popular commercial block (that BillA reviewed), so that we can gauge more accurately the performance?

Impingement of some sort does alot for even a basic simple water block. The higher the velocity and pressure the better, up until flow starts to suffer anyways with smaller nozzles. The height or distance doesn't seem to matter to much or atleast what we can visually see anyways as long as the distance isn't to great. The smaller the distance the better but it's a small gain. You have roughly the same results as I have found. With your awaki pump and and a little bit of tweaking, you probably see better results than I did with my hydor.

Trick is to balance it just right with the block design you chosen and you should be doing better than the best block out there. I have a feeling morphling's block is the one to watch closely.

This is what I did to the micropin block, aqua blue is the area of the inlet jet, red is the outline of the T-bred core underneath.

before;

http://users.bigpond.net.au/volenti/pin_block_scan1.jpg

after;

http://users.bigpond.net.au/volenti/pin_block_scan2.jpg

This is the "reference" block I used, modified from my old "carved out" block, which was always a consistant performer. The BP is ~2.5mm thick.

http://users.bigpond.net.au/volenti/...nce_block1.jpg

http://users.bigpond.net.au/volenti/...nce_block2.jpg

http://users.bigpond.net.au/volenti/...nce_block3.jpg

every DIYer in the world has got to go nuts looking at Volenti's work

good show Volenti

Volenti Are you planing on making any of your blocks for the public?

Do you have any guides on how you made your "carved-out block"?

Nice work btw. Volenti.

111 more posts till 666 BillA (don't take this as a bad thing I am just noticing a peculiar fact)

Any smaller than that and you won't see much of gain. Maybe round the corners of the nozzle so that it's an eclipse might help a slight bit.

Have you considered rotating the pins through 45 degrees like this :

http://d-e.mine.nu/photos/Forum%20Im...lock_scan2.jpg

Obviously, you'd want to modify the layout a little. I would imagine that you'd get more turbulence amongst the pins this way... ?

If they don't I would sure like to the their work! Looking real good!

Yes, somebody also thought of this idea, take a look at this german cooler:

http://www.cooling-store.de/csshop/s...der/141_gr.jpg

Its the K4.2 from Cooling solutions. The earlier versions K4 and K4.1 were bigger and had a few more cuts, but the K4.2 now is so much optimized in size an performance that you can't make the waterflow or the performance even better.
This pin design is a good solution for a waterblock, but not the best.
In my opinion, another technologie is a better way:

http://www.cooling-store.de/csshop/s...der/217_gr.jpg

This cooler is called UCD (universal cooling device) and ist also from B@mbi from Cooling Solutions (Germany): http://www.cooling-solutions.de/
It uses a microchannel Technologie which makes the laminar glide layer (do you call it so in english? in german its: laminare Gleitschicht) much smaller because of the many sharp micro corners in every channel. The water flows in every single channel against the pure copper of the first corner an then a few milimeters again and so on, which makes a very big water pressure but a superior cooling result. The UCD ist much smaller then the K4.2 but more powerful.
I think that is an argument for this Technologie.

-please don't laugh because of my deplorably english, i'm only a german guy from Hamburg ;)

nice design davidzo
strange that only the Innovatek Rev.3 ever made it over here

is the US market so small as to not be worthwhile ?
strange

Think that US market is considered too big and clogged with similar products so nobody wants to try anything funny and loose money. Too bad, cos' some healthy competition in this area could bring us only good...on the both sides of the puddle...:p

Cheers!

I would think Cathar's success with his White Water wb would put paid to that notion
(he's had duty problems with a Bentley, had to settle for a BMW stretch 7)

there is always room at the top

but sure, for an 'also ran' there is little point

Cannot agree with you more!

I don't like Innovatek products very much. Maybe their products have a relatively good performance, but the quality is very bad.
Have you ever seen a 2 years old Rev.3 which has been used every day from inside? - Full of corrosion and oxide :rolleyes:
no, really, for myself Innovatek is one of the worst watercooling companys in germany.

I don't know how big the US market is, but i can estimate :D

look on the ahop homepage, if you can read German: "Versandkosten für versichertes Paket ins Ausland:
Nur Vorkasse möglich = 15,50 Euro"

That means something like:
Forwarding expenses for insured package to other Countries: We only ship after the money reached us = 15.50 euro

the store


Also American or other water cooling produkts don't reach Germany. Why? Yes, we have many small Water cooling Companys, but a little more Possibilitys for a Decision would be interesting.
The onliest water cooling companys in germany which don't produce in germany are the following: Senfu, Thermaltake, Go-cooling (IceRex), Atotech, Swiftech


@Puzzdre: I cannot agree with you. I really think there are some German coolers which can be very interesting for the American market. The coolers from Cooling Solutions aren't just "anything funny", they are the best quality i know of water blocks! which can easily be seen in the first pic (K4.2), look at these small but sharp and clean Edges... this coolers are Quality and you'll never loose money because this coolers probably will live longer than your PC.
Of course these coolers aren't cheap, i think they are the expensivest in germany...:rolleyes:

Davidzo, you didn't understand my post the right way, I think that it would be GREAT that we have some more choice here (blocks from US and wider here in EU), and to place some good products from here to US market.

...'anything funny and loose money'....I wasn't referring to the actual product, but on somebody who will risk the money to produce a waterblock and try to place it to the US market, which is large and filled with various similar products - I think that's risky. (and I wrote funny)...;)

Hope this reveales what I wanted to say here some more...

Cheers!

PS, as for German wblocks on the market, hell, I'd really like to have the chance to buy it here in Croatia! And for the quality and price, I've never seen a commercially available quality product that is cheap.

There's a saying here 'I'm not rich enough to buy cheap things', and it's very very true.

Do a search here on the forums for Cathar's block, you'll find lots of info. There's a original thread on OCAU, but I think you'll have to register to the forums...I don't have a link, maybe somebody can help here...

Yep you do have to register but the link is:

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...threadid=95955

Found it, if you decide to register, here's the link:

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...t=cathar+block

Thx pippin88,

and Volenti, sorry for the hijack of the thread, back OT I hope...:)

Aqua-computer is rather nice.

Good quality, good design and good performance.

davidzo

the low flow rate performance of the Innovatek was quite excellent at the time of its introduction
designs evolve, performance improves
(and yes, the Innovatek corrodes just like . . . . well, aluminum !)

if you have not dealt with Cathar's wb, you do not yet know 'the competition'
read this Commercial Waterblock Test: The White Water
incidently, this wb is made in Australia

ahem, offshore marketing is rather more than indicating the shipping cost

i'm located in germany .. so if someone is interested in a man-in-the-middle transfer let me know ..

-I really agree, thats how i wrote in my posting i think

oh yes, so i really missunderstood you, please don't care, my english is horrible...
croatia? so you come from croatia and not from the US?
-ok, i found it yesterday a short time after i posted this... but i wanna have look inside... i just registerd at overclockers australia, but damn, how long does an registration e-mail take from australia straight across the whole globus to germany? :D

@W1zzard: Ich hoffe das es nicht nötig ist einen "mann in der mitte" zu haben, ich habe eingesehen das ich nen bisschen agressiv was dazwische geworfen habe... muss mich ersteinmal informieren ;)

-oh yes, i just didn't car that it was his Thread :rolleyes:


aquacomputer don't have real perfomaers i think. they look quite good, but thats all... i've heard of some people who had lecks because of the bad acryl plastik they use...

some realy good german brandas are:
www.cooling-solutions.de
- very good performance and quality, but little expensive (not as expensive as the white water block ;) )
-www.watercool.de
performance is quite ok, but quality is by far the best i know. also when the water inside is over 100°C the cooler has no lecks - same with high pressure of 10bar. good price


PS: you can test it, cooling solutions is sending their coolers to everywhere and everyone.

- no, I'm not a PR manager of cooling solutions! i've nothing to do with their company, neither with their chef, neither with their workers, nore with their cat ;)
-I think only that they're just good :)

Yup!:)

hey, the price of the new UCD just decreased to 50€. Thats pretty cheap for a waterblock which's a little better than the Rev.3, i think. @Puzzdre: if you want me to aks B@mbi to send one of these water blocks to you just write a mails to me. I think B@mbi would send you a cooler if you want.

Have you still got that 1U thermaltake skived P4 HSF Volenti?, would make a good blank to start from, I'm sure the potential in them is huge for home DIY blocks :) , I remember 'Badams' BillA sayins so, so it can't be bad(ams :p ) :D, "just take a 1U TT HSF and cross cut to your fancy" was the quote...

I've been wondering about 'fins ~V~ pins' ever since, you've answered my query! :) . Time to get the junior hacksaw out! :dome: ...

That project went from this;

http://users.bigpond.net.au/volenti/block_soldered.jpg

to this;

http://users.bigpond.net.au/volenti/HS_block_inside.jpg

then finally to this;

http://users.bigpond.net.au/volenti/skinz_block.jpg


That final version has a ~2mm BP, 5mm high fins and the same 20mmx20mm fin area as the second inside pic shows, it's only ~2 degrees off my micropin block on my T-bred 2100+@2.34, 1.85v.

What do you think it'd do with cross cut 'pins' at a hight of 2~3mm instead of 5?...

Is there a 'jet' of any kind in there or just a 'vannilla' barb opening? :D , 2DegC is'nt bad either way...

Also what ever happened to the triple modded pump?, did you ever get anywhere with a 1250 single style mod, with the valves I mean?, I've been 'lost' in BF1942 for a few months!...

PS, I forgot to compliment you!, excellent work as ever :dome: ...

Thanks, it would be difficult to make really fine pins out of the skived sink, the fins are too fine (delicate) to make cuts that close together, you'd just end up with a mess.

no jet , just the normal barb opening.

The tripple pump mod was abandoned as soon as I got my iwaki pump, the 3 pumps were then used in friends watercooled systems.

What if you ground them down(lenghtwats,[whoops, lenghtwaYs] with the grain) to 2~3mm first, then cross cut, maybe one of those round small arbour disc saws that were in BB2Ks radius thread? (what happened with that?, I was waiting for him to finish before I plaugarised the inlet/outlet design :D ) the lower hight should make it 'firmer' no?, less 'sway'?...

How do you think it would perform if it was done without damage?...

What Iwaki did you get?, 20RZT?, what's it like, the increased pressure?, what about heat?, any chance of getting it 'incase'?. Sorry for the barrage! :) ...