Wow.

The extra fin was to me the most glaring differance. I didn't post on any others I saw as I havn't followed what D-Tek has done with the LRWW design as far as changes beyond having a Lexan or aluminum top on it.

Reading this there are several other differances that I didn't see prior to posting as well as a couple that I knew wern't the same as the original Cathar LRWW block.

Nihksub1,

A fine job a O/C's.

not sure if you have done anything yet, but you should change that link to a nasty pic

:evilaugh: I like your thinking! But how about if Bill were to offer a brief opinion of this guys "wonderfull" new block?

Somehow I think that might be better than a picture! And Bill might be able to convince JoeC to go along with it!:evilaugh:

The guy deserves a few helpfull tips form Bill for his hard work and marketing efforts!:evilaugh: :rolleyes:

Edit:

The use of his own posted link to undo his little scam appeals to me. True justice!

Hehehehe, I would change all the results to show the block is the worst thing ever made, and then make a new link to the original page of the real White Water to show how good Cathars is compared to the POS on e-bay. :p Two can play the misleading game! :evilaugh:

slight problem fellows
the scammer linked to Joe's posting of the article, not my site
and Joe (or Ed) is NOT going to let me jerk around with their site

besides, if I have not tested it what can I state as fact ?
no more than what has been repeated here many times now

I haven't responded until now because I was carefully weighing up how to respond to this. I think the following best explains how I feel about "fly-by-night copy-cats". I'll include an assessment of the design "copy" from what I can see of it.

Perhaps the most important aspect to any mini/micro channel block is the ability to be able to open it up and clean it. These blocks are prone to clogging if the user does not take adequate precautions. If setup properly, they can run for many months, or even years, without issues. If the user is careless though and adds dirty lint-filled water to their setup, clogging may be an issue, and this is something that the user must be able to easily remedy otherwise they'll end up with a poorly performing clogged block that they cannot fix.

The O-ring is cheap, but it does add production time to implement it, but it is one of the most important aspects to look for when considering purchasing a fine channelled block. If you can't easily pull the block apart to clean it, then it may only be a matter of time before the well-performing block you bought turns into a clogged and poorly performing albatross.

Losing the O-ring and sealing the block up tight is one of the first things that "cheap" implementations will do in order to cut costs. The use of an O-ring also allows for the all-important top portion of the block to mate adequately with the tops of the fins to prevent the base-plate from bowing under mounting pressure as a properly implemented block of the WW design will have an extremely thin base-plate in order to realise its full performance potential. If a gasket is instead used, then there is the risk of the base-plate bowing, and the water is also not forced to flow down the channels, but instead can flow over the top, because the gasket creates a gap between the base-plate and the upper portions of the block.

These are just some of the considerations that cheap-skate copy-cats will skim over and dismiss in their rush to make a "cheap imitation".

In short, if you want guaranteed quality and design that incorporates all of the reasons for why the design works and exists as it should, and an implementation that will last for a long time, then there really is only one choice.

Fly-by-nighters aren't hurting me or DTek much, because the people who wanted to buy the cheap imitation would probably never have considered paying extra for the proper quality item. These fly-by-nighters are really hurting who matters most, and that is the consumer. What after-market support is there? Will a block be replaced if there are issues? What about after-market parts to allow the block to be adapted to upcoming CPU socket technologies?

A consumer has to ask themselves just what they're giving up by paying $25 less and whether they're really doing themselves a long-term favor, or just buying into a "throw-away" item that is made by someone who's only intention is to make money off someone else's design, but don't truly understand why the design was made the way it was and decided to cut corners.

Ahh - NOP

Caught this thread a lil late, but later today I will put a lil blurb of this up on the front page.

I just posted something in my worklog about this because I didn't see you weighing in on it yet, Joe. Oh well, it never hurts to have multiple notifications on something like this.

I sent this guy several Emails asking him if he had explicit permission to replicate the WW in any way, shape , or form ........permission given to him by the patent pending(hehe) holder of the design/concept of his reproduction knock off.........

And also asked him if he was in need of a good attorney:)


I havent recieved one reply yet......:shrug:
Surprised?? ... ... Uh uhh

I wish I knew some way to leave him Ebay feedback pertaining to this ......If anyone would be kind enough to tell me how ...Id be more than glad to do so.

you have to buy something from him to leave him feedback.

Yeah I know thats the usual way ........but I figured one of you "geeks" knew another "less standard" way;)

hack the ebay servers.

The links to the WW are GONE!!! All rejoice! lol. I guess enough of us complained to ebay and they brought the hammer down. GOOD WORK!

A very good thing indeed. He may still sell his blocks, but at least people won't be mislead by his linking to BillA's article on the White Water.

I am glad this happened. See Jaydee? You could stop it without lawsuits.. :D Cathar does indeed have some good friends here in the forums.

i still say we order a hit on the dude

I would still sue his ass!

never mind. being a little ignorant for my own good. take me back please!:shrug:

sorry double post:rolleyes: :shrug: