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Groth 04-09-2004 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iroc409
groth, i'm sorry, i'm as pro-gun as the next crazy fool, but that's just rediculous. it really is, you can't compare guns to cars. i _seriously_ hope you were joking.

Half joking, I don't think my savings on mufflers would make up for the lost sleep. But the point was serious - the "desire for silence = ill intent" argument is absurd, as is the declaration that an object is evil.

Yep, it's ridiculous.

sandman 04-13-2004 09:23 PM

I just think a silencer for may .45ACP would be fun as hell.

I mean, you could go all James Bond on a target, or poster of Clinton or something.

msv 04-14-2004 01:02 AM

[quote=Groth]Mikael, you've got me confused with PlawsWorth. I'm in the US.

QUOTE]

True, my mistake. "Fort fast fel" (quick but wrong) as the saying goes. PlawsWorth it should be.

Sandman, does a silencer do any good on a semiauto without a slidelock?
regards
Mikael S.

opus13 04-14-2004 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandman
I just think a silencer for may .45ACP would be fun as hell.

I mean, you could go all James Bond on a target, or poster of Clinton or something.

on a 45??? the neighbors will still call the police on you at 2 in the morning!

"hello, 911"
"uh... someone has some bigass firecrackers nextdoor"

sandman 04-14-2004 02:25 PM

Not really, you just have to get some subsonic bullets. Just put some heavy bullets, and some slow powder in.

MadHacker 04-14-2004 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandman
Not really, you just have to get some subsonic bullets. Just put some heavy bullets, and some slow powder in.

as far as i know it the big bang you hear is the bullet breaking the sound barrier..

Groth 04-14-2004 11:15 PM

Sound is just a change in pressure. The 'bang' comes from the release of gasses when the bullet exits the barrel. Think of it as popping a (really high pressure) balloon.

The idea of a silencer is to capture those high pressure, high velocity gasses; to slow them down and spread out their release in both space and time. Less pressure change, less sound.

msv 04-15-2004 01:24 AM

Yep, the silencer slows down the gasses, but, as Sandman points out, the bullet must be kept from causing a sonic bang.
Regarding the slidelock: The silencer takes care of the gas coming out of the muzzle, but there“s a lot of gas coming out through the ejection port as well. A slidelock keeps the slide in place and the ejection port closed until the slide is manually cycled, way after the gas has left the gun.
regards
Mikael S.

Groth 04-15-2004 02:31 AM

The 'sonic bang' from super-sonic bullets isn't really significant. Bullets don't displace enough air as they travel to produce high pressures and sharply defined shockwaves.

Unless you're using heavy artillery.... :D

sandman 04-17-2004 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Groth
The 'sonic bang' from super-sonic bullets isn't really significant. Bullets don't displace enough air as they travel to produce high pressures and sharply defined shockwaves.

Unless you're using heavy artillery.... :D

Larger caliber rifles do too. And, if you wanna be silenced anything helps.

Ever hard a rifle bullet go over your head? it's loud.

I was out a shoot competition at Camp Perry around here. And, I was down in the bunker scoring when thye let loose with about 200 Garands. You can definatly hear them going over.


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