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jaydee 05-31-2004 10:14 AM

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http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16244
Now that is very interesting. If what they "claim" is true then all our systems suck ass as does every water block/system currently on the market compared to their results. Will like to see these claims validated.

trit187 05-31-2004 10:59 AM

jd- are you refering to their heat disapation claims, or their 5 year maintienance free claim?
but it is deffinatly nice (at least my opinion) to see a major company picking up on watercooling.

jaydee 05-31-2004 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by trit187
jd- are you refering to their heat disapation claims, or their 5 year maintienance free claim?
but it is deffinatly nice (at least my opinion) to see a major company picking up on watercooling.

Both actually but mainly the heat dissapation. Actually NEC came out with a water cooled PC last year. How popular was it? Do you see any for sale? ;) No one wanted one or they just didn't work. I can't even find one for sale! http://iocombo.com/news/shownews.php...k&threadid=236

Here is a sarcastic article about the claimsto be the FIRST. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9576

They also came out with a liquid cooled note book: http://www.nec.co.jp/press/en/0306/3001.html

Do you see those for sale?

Also IBM has been on it since 1996! Guess what? They didn't use water cooling. They came up with a better idea which all other companies will also do IMO. http://www.research.ibm.com/thinkres..._cooling.shtml

Go to your local computer store and look for liquid cooled desktops and laptops and see how many there are.

No one wants a water cooled PC except us enthusiests.

HAL-9000 05-31-2004 12:55 PM

I think diamond is the future of semiconductors
 
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Originally Posted by talcum
Nope, UNCD B doped diamond is a little better (and N doped is better than B doped), but the conductivity just isn't there with diamond for VLSI. Need to find different, better dopants. Still have issues with gate leakage current leading to high temps. The new tech needed is a better oxide insulating layer.


High temps are something that makes diamond so desirable. They don't melt until temps of around 2000C are reached. They also conduct heat better than anything else that I know of. I know Type I diamond's TC is around 1500W/Mk. But Type IIa boron diamond's is way higher still, like 2800W/Mk(boron doped semiconductor diamond). Thats 3.8 and 7 times the TC of copper. That is weird about pure diamond though, its such a good thermal conductor, but a electrical insulator at the same time. Usually those properties do not appear together in a single material. I've been reading about quantum lattice vibrations that explain the property, still strange and fascinating though.

Its because of those properties I think diamond will eventually supplant silicon as the semiconductor of choice in electronics. If it can be manufactured cheaply via CVD (whats UNCD?) with an appropriate charge carrier in the crystal (boron, nitrogen, whatever...and don't forget the P-type for it as well!), and manipulated on as fine a scale as silicon, Moore's Law could continue for some time if people are willing to put up with the higher power consumption. Here's a cool link to a company that could very well be the breakthrough outfit for the industry http://www.apollodiamond.com/ The guy who started this oufit is the guy who made his money through the discovery and patenting of gallium arsenide, which I am sure you know is critical to the modern semiconductor.

Also, how hard is it to manufacture nitrogen doped diamond compared to boron? Nitrogen is what makes natural diamond yellow, and a diamond's "clarity" is pretty much a reference to how nitrogen-free that particular crystal is. You seem to have access to more data than me on the subject, I am curious.


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