Originally Posted by Jabo

Starman97 - you mixed everything there d00de!
Keep in mind that dies need to be small (are getting smaller as I write this) and therefore in-die cooling solutions will have to be designed to use particle physics, not fluid dynamics (how would you make it high pressure resistant, huh?)

Originally Posted by Jabo

Right, what I meant was that net size is bigger BUT process is getting smaller and density of elements rises leaving any possible channel dims extremely small.

* The channels are cut into the bulk substrate, not into the region of
active junctions, which is extremely thin, 1000's of angstroms..

For CPU to work it has to be an intgral structure so it is not possible to create micro channels between layers of circuitry. Having die microchanneled on external surfaces is counter productive and makes no sense.

* nonsense, micromachining structures with active logic is commonplace
They wont go beween active elements though.

Even if it was possible/feasible to make a die wirh layer of circuitry stacked on each other with micro dim spacing inbetween with some sorft of interface connecting them (uff, nice bit of SF going on here) then amount of coolant types described by you needed to pass through to achieve any cooling would
call for extremely high pressures (to maintain coolant's velocity or mass flow in time through changing diameters of a vessel pressure needs to change - some basics here for ya d00de) = kaboooom and flying silicone :)

* Look here: http://www.darpa.mil/mto/heretic/pro...georgia-4.html
4.5 PSIG, that's nothing to Si. the internal stresses in the die are far greater than
that caused by pressurized channels in the bulk substrate.

*BTW, they are stacking transistors in production devices, I've even seen
stacking of dies in prototypes. They grind down the back of the die and
cut holes into it to connect circuits between the dies, then they fuse the two
dies together in an annealing process. It's expensive, and only goes into
expensive products where space is at a premium. (Mil stuff and sensors,
but it's soon to go into power controls. Put a micro ontop of big power FETs)

Read about thermoelectrics and use of electrons themsleves for cooling and go down to nano level of architecture :)

* that's another approach,, more advanced than micromachining to be sure.
After all, it is the diffusion of energetic electrons that moves heat in things.
The trick is to get the hot ones to move out and the cool ones to move in
while inside a solid state material.

Skimmed over your linky. It looks like an attempt at direct die phase change cooling using premanufactured on-die-surface-microfinns... I could not understand why did they limit themselves by putting a glass cover on top of this channels severely limiting the amount of coolant to be boiled and they use sequential flow pattern.... then check page 35 for test results - useless performance for current CPUs thermal output :) Nice find anyway, I hope I'll fbe able to find some time to read it all:)

Originally Posted by Jabo

...and why Cathar stopped futher development of jet impingement type of blocks :)

Originally Posted by Jabo

BTW, I just spotted your new avatar, next generation of modders growing up? see Medusa linky for my one

Originally Posted by Cathar

Yeah, she's four. She regularly helps me to install motherboards and the like. Those little fingers are great for getting screws into and out of tight spots. :) The other one is almost 6 months now. I don't think I could trust her to do much other than to stick in her mouth whatever gets into her hands. :p

Originally Posted by Jabo

Tell me about it. My boy is 18mnths and his fav place to play is around my rig and inside my modding tool box LOL. The best gain from them being around is that my rig is 100% child proof now ;)

Originally Posted by Incoherent

Do you also notice that the place seems to get tidier and better looking. Fan grills get put on, wires get secured, connections insulated properly...
A two year old here, has a habit of putting things in drive slots.