Paying a lot to avoid maintainence that has to be performed very infrequently. :p

Yeah, but if you're willing to fork out $5'000+ for a game machine, $50 for a maintenance free coolant is nothing... ;)

My game machine cost a lot less than $5k...

My version:

If you paid $5,000 for a game machine your a ****ing idiot anyway so what's another $50. :p

If you're really that idiotic you'd probably be too stupid to clamp, so FluidXP is probably useful.

What is the intended market for this stuff, anyway?

well...hello everyone, i am knew at water cooling and other fluid cooling :p but i need to make some questions, and it will have different answers, but that is exactly what i need. as more the better.
i am thinking of making a refrigerating system that consists in water cooling or other liquid that i am thinking about, just don`t know what to use right now. what worries me is the condensation, with the drop of temperature don`t i have to worry about water drops? i read some of the things you written before, but i really didn`t understand if water can "destroy" my machine or not.
what kind of cooling system do you recommend?? what liquid should i use? and more important, i would like to create my own system, do you have any ideas or know where i can start???
I thank you all, and would apreciate if you would answer me as fast as possible. (i know i will be asking a lot but) : could you please answer to my email?? it is: nunosantos110@yahoo.com.br

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, and i am sorry that i am giving you all a lot of trouble...

pwddf, I have an older article on this site about coolant chemicals, although it is a bit dated and vague compared to the article on overclockers.com (about 2-3 weeks ago I think?).

Basically, a SAFE bet is 50% antifreeze with 50% distilled water. It is thick and doesn't perform as well as 100% water, but it prevents corrosion and doesn't freeze as easily pure water.

Swiftech makes an additive mix you can just dump into distilled water that is higher performance as does DangerDen. They are higher performing although not intended for temperatures below 0C/32F.

There's a QUICK answer although woefully incomplete. For more information, read the article here for and the overclockers.com article, and then search the forum for posts on coolant additives such as antifreeze, methanol, biocides, de-ionized water (silly and expensive), and other good keywords.

I dont see any problems with my coolant. I have had the same gallon jug of glycol + water coolant in my closet for about 2 years, I dont see any stuff in there, I dont see any change in the way the coolant looks. It has not separated, has not become smelly (other than the usual smellyness of glycol), ect.

I dont see my system as ever corroding.

Did you guys know that just a tiny amount of dihydrogen monoxide in your lungs can suffocate and kill you?! That is some dangerous crap. I bet dihydrogen monoxide in its various forms kills more people per year than plane crashes :D

More than likely - plane crashes don't actually kill many people. ;)

Hell with people....
 

Hell with people, did you know dihydrogen oxide has RUINED more good scotch than anything? There will always be more people, but good scotch, well, ruining that, should be a crime.

Writing skills
 

For all those who are commenting about the Alkaline issue I should clarify myself about something I spoke about earlier.

Alkalines are on the high end of the pH scale were as Acids are on the low end of the pH scale. Alkalines come from chemicals from the alkali family such as soluable salts such as potassium or sodium carbonate. Strong Alkalis can burn like acid by causing an organic distruptive reaction with the skin and is used in the Alkaline battery much like the acid of say car batteries are used to facilitate electric charge storage. I reread one of my statements on the forum and I guess I was tired when I wrote it. All I wanted to wanted to say, "it can burn like acid" and got all mixed up with myself. Sorry.

Butcher,
You're absolutely right, you can use what fluid you want in your system. The propylene Glycol used in Fluid XP is a food grade product and does not cause any negative effect to plastics. This is the grade of Propylene glycol used in stuff like lip stick. Ethylene Glycol is extremely poisonous and has many more detrimental effects than any of the other glycols.

Talcum,
So true, Dihydrogen Oxide has ruined many a fine scotch Bourbon too. About your statement, "Actually, an MSDS is doc required by OSHA to allow a worker using a material to know the hazards associated with it. OSHA does NOT require an MSDS for water (http://www.loganact.com/tips/royko.htm) however other companies have made up there own MSDS according to the CAS No. and their form of the material." is absolutely true. Also certain companies require water to be named according to its chemical name thus Dihydrogen Oxide (Water) For example NASA, Delphi, Heinz for you Kerry fans... requires it.

And your statement, "their attempts at obfuscation by not using the generic chemical names, makes me wonder at your term "obviously". I mean is it reagent grade Dihydrogen Oxide? or laboratory grade? Or food grade? Since the manufacturer writes the MSDS, it's not clear to me what you're getting. Do they use a Millipore system?" Obviously you been around some chemistry before. That's cool.

Kronchev, mr. Kronchev you're so mean by saying, "I have the feeling they're just a bunch of kids working out of their parents basement with a tap water supply, a boiler-condenser, and a couple gallons of chemicals they got out of their highschool chem lab. They listed it as that to be mysterous and make it look like it was some super advanced chemical composition. If they wanted to be safety-minded or whatever they'd have listed the CAS number as well." Wow that's low. That would really offend Dr. Haslim the inventor.

Let me come clean. I am a very close associate of Dr. Haslim. :D That is why I am working very hard to get the test results from SF Analytical and now I'm trying even harder to get the original MSDS required by Delphi Harrison Thermal Systems in Lockport, NY. So, if I can put forth any questions directly to the inventor please contact me and I'll pass them on for his review.

You know, I've noticed somethings about these forums, there are so many participants that are just negative nay-sayers. Come on, you know who you guys are. But you know I love reading all the comments that are written because some of the participants are really seeking help. Trying to find out some information and others really have nothing better to do than spout on and on and criticize those who are seeking the help. It's a really cool forum thou.

I will try to add those document to this forum directly so I don't have to email it out to the many who have asked for them. So give me a couple days and I promise to add them.

I hope you all have a great day.
Regards,
Mklt

Quotes
 

Is there anyone that can tell me how do you use those quote boxes so I don't have to keep copying thing people say?

Thanks for your help.
mklt

theres a way but I forget

as for what I said, well, look at it. the only advantage it has over de-I water and water wetter is that this stuff is less conductive. Is it enough to cause problems? science tells us no but i havent seen any tests with it. I still maintain that its completly unnecessary and a waste of money.

There is a little "reply" button on the lower right hand corner of every post that will automatically quote the post in your reply. To multi quote just use the quote tags. Before [ quote ] and [ /quote ] after without the spaces. Also you can click the little FAQ link at the top of the page for more info. :)

So are you telling me this stuff is really worth $80 a gallon? What ingrediants in it make it worth so much? [sarcasm] Is there gold in it to?[/sarcasm]

Didn't you know gold particles in the fluid aid conductivity Jaydee! :D

that explains why my UltraPremiumWaterStuffs Super ^2 fluid blew up my computer when i didnt clamp any of my hoses on because i thought it wasnt conductive



damn im a bastard :D

Sure you didn't drink the water wetter and put Goldschlager in your system, and that's why it blew up? I know it's easy to get confused when they both have those gold flecks in them..... And geee, why am I not surprised mkit is closely associiated with the vendor?

Frankly, I am GLAD that people from the companies are posting in here. As long as they are open about their affiliation, it can be a positive way to get information about products and to give feedback to the companies.

I'm still sticking with my secret blend of herbs and spices for my coolant, but that's mainly because I'm a cheapskate and paranoid redneck. :D

I'm using standard antifreeze, and distilled water for my current loop and I'll be testing some DangerDen additives to distilled water because they kindly sent me some. (Thank you for the sample, Dennis!)

You mean to say that he wasn't open about that fact that he was associated with them? I just naturally assumed... Yeah, leave the guy alone. He's doing us a favour.

DOH!!!!!!! :D

I would agree. You're also digging much too far to criticize a product because it doesn't fit your needs. It's marketed to those people who would like to take the extra precaution, and would like to keep their system as low-maintenance as possible. If they've got the cash, let 'em spend it.

After all, we're not all perfect.

No, initially he simply asked if we were ChemE's (were we technically competent?) And they're selling water + preservative for $40/liter. And they're 'talking' on a forum I watch. So just as I would ask BillA for clarification if I thought he was blowing smoke, so will I comment and ask questions of manufacturers who post here. If we only get good vendors because of that, is that bad?

he also really should have identified himself as a company rep rather than as an interested bystander. That always leads to problems in my experience.

BillA is an odd case because he so rarely speaks on behalf of Swiftech (in fact Swiftech would be insane to let Bill be their public voice lol)

Dunno - could work out well - consider the popularity of Simon Cowell/American Idol.

Brutally honest criticism is all the rage nowadays; Swiftech could offer to knock you down a few pegs with every waterblock purchase. :D

:D No, I'm going to resist that temptation.

Now that mklt has revealed his poorly concealed associations, I'm happy to have him here. A lot of misunderstandings and misinformation could be cleared up if we had manufacturers talking openly and honestly to the community. And it might even improve their products and bottom lines.

The C-Systems pump thread is a good example.

Agreed on both points. I hoped I was clear that a company rep is just as welcome as they are honest about information and their (understandable) bias.

Bill is just a unique fellow. No way to easily classify him. :D

representative???
 

I am an associate of Dr. Haslims. I said nothing about being a rep. Dr. Haslim and I go way back in history. He and I worked on aircraft deicing systems. Various types of systems. Fluid, electromagnetic, electroexpulsive, piezo systems to name a few. He is beyond reproach. He's a retired Navy Captian who during the korean war received the Distiguished Flying Cross for flying over the advancing Korean army to help protect his own troops. He flew until his aircraft was just about out of fuel and all shot up. He had enough fuel to make it feet wet and then had to bail out because he couldn't make the carrier. That's the kind of guy he is and that's the reputation he puts behind his work. So I believe in his technology/ product and support him in any way I can. I was out reviewing the forums and came across you guys and it gave me a way of seeing how others were receiving the product. That's all. I am more than happy to be a means to an end for you and get answers answered if you have them. That's all.

That's a great idea thou, getting manufacturing reps to get on forums to discuss issues with potential customers. Someone oughta start a web site or forum that invites reps to participate in discussions.

I'm still trying to get those documents out on this site but They're bigger than the 75mb limit for the browser uploads. I'll have to try something to get the number down. I might have to email them out.

Later
mklt :cool:

Holy shit, the VP for Kerry has been discovered on ProCooling. :eek:

Please dont dis the man like that. Kerry, are you kidding. I think he'd rather hear Saddam than Kerry.

I contacted the Fluidxp site and suggested they post those documents we have been discussing some others who want them can also get them. I post what they say but the site is fluidxp.com.

mklt

Taken directly from here:
Vague promises with big buzz words. What is meant by "so much more efficient"? The second question/paragraph specifically states that it is significantly less efficient than water. What is it "so much more efficient" than in the first example? cottage cheese?

I do have to say that the following real-life test performed (linked to on fluidxp,s website) gives the impression that the stuff's electrical properties are what they claim them to be.

I've ran my video card with more water on it than that (pure distilled water slowly pooled from a leaking fitting on my northbridge cooler) with only artifacting. Once I shut down and dried the card off (and fixed the leak), everything ran fine again. I didn't toast my video card or the rest of my computer by getting it wet. Of course this doesn't mean it's a good idea to submerge your computer in distilled water, but from all of the water encounters I've read about and experienced, computer parts seem to do just fine if you shut them down and dry them carefully. If you soaked a whole computer without anything powered up, I'm fairly confident you would be able to salvate absolutely everything just by making sure it was properly dry before booting it up again.

Based on these examples and points, I personally can't justify spending an obscene amount of money on a special "fluid" when I can get by with good old distilled water (which costs me a whopping $.50 a gallon) and not have to worry much about blowing up my system by getting it damp now and then.

Look at it this way: by being careful, I can fill my system for about twenty-five cents instead of eighty dollars. So maybe I'll have to flush & refill every month or so. FluidXP is only recommended to be kept in a system for about two years before needing to be changed. In two fillings of fluidXP, which would cost me about $160, I would refill about 24 times at a total cost of about six bucks.

It may be some kind of wonderful maintenance-free coolant, but two years isn't forever. Plus, what are you supposed to do with it when you drain your system to upgrade something or make some modifications? Catch it all in a bucket and pour it back in? I laughed when I read the part of the FAQ explaining that fluidXP is safe to pour down the drain. Yeah; if you want to pour that many dolalrs per milliliter down the drain, be my guest. :)

You can all see where I stand...