Pro/Forums

Pro/Forums (http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/index.php)
-   Snap Server / NAS / Storage Technical Goodies (http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/forumdisplay.php?f=82)
-   -   Hack a Snap Sever 1000? (http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=1929)

edcetera 07-16-2005 08:06 PM

Hello Ray

What OS software is in your 2000,
mine is 3.4.803
hardware 2.0.0
Bios is 2.0.282

I have 4.0.829 here but wonder if its neccessary to do an upgrade to 2x 250 gig drives.

What are your thoughts regarding these parameters above.

Thanks / Ed



Quote:

Originally Posted by bumpyone
Ed,

I have installed two WD 160 GB drives in my 2000. Please see post http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&postcount=576. I have also upgraded my memory from 64 MB to 256 MB. System is a Quantum Snap 2000 server.

Ray


Leomania 07-17-2005 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edcetera
Its still scary IMHO to buy 2x 250 gig drives to find out if this will work.

I hear you there! Since you're in Oceanside, you can make the trek over to Fry's to take advantage of one of their sales; pick your brand, wait for the sale with a rebate, and you should be able to get at least one of the 250GB or 300GB units for $89 or $99... thereabouts, anyway. And I've seen that they don't pull that stunt about "one rebate per address per year"; I've been able to do two rebates on (nearly) the same drive a couple of weeks apart and they both came through. The discounts are steep enough that it sure beats paying full price!

Your hardware looks right... if I had anything bigger than 160GB to test I'd verify it for you. Since others have already done 200GB, that's not likely to be helpful. That 500GB unit being offered on Ebay (still available) sure makes it look like your unit can do it, though.

- Leo

edcetera 07-17-2005 01:04 PM

Hello Leo

I spoke by phone with that guy on ebay, and asked for a screen dump of the actaul reported size of the hard drives, and he said he would ask his tech, all this was the first time they tried to sell that 2000 and now its on eBay again as it didnt sell.

Im wondering why they are reluctant to put a screen dump there, maybe if a few of us ask him to show the screen dump of actaul size he will do it.

click on this link---> ebay snap2000

Thanks for all your help Leo

Sincerely / Ed

=============================

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leomania
I hear you there! Since you're in Oceanside, you can make the trek over to Fry's to take advantage of one of their sales; pick your brand, wait for the sale with a rebate, and you should be able to get at least one of the 250GB or 300GB units for $89 or $99... thereabouts, anyway. And I've seen that they don't pull that stunt about "one rebate per address per year"; I've been able to do two rebates on (nearly) the same drive a couple of weeks apart and they both came through. The discounts are steep enough that it sure beats paying full price!

Your hardware looks right... if I had anything bigger than 160GB to test I'd verify it for you. Since others have already done 200GB, that's not likely to be helpful. That 500GB unit being offered on Ebay (still available) sure makes it look like your unit can do it, though.

- Leo


z0ner 07-17-2005 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leomania
I hear you there! Since you're in Oceanside, you can make the trek over to Fry's to take advantage of one of their sales; pick your brand, wait for the sale with a rebate, and you should be able to get at least one of the 250GB or 300GB units for $89 or $99...

Sure enough, today Circuit City put the Segate 300GB ATA100 on sale for a net of $99 after $90 worth of rebates.

Dave_in_Dallas 07-17-2005 04:26 PM

In Dallas today, the Seagate 300 at Circuit City is $139 with only $60.00 in rebates..... :mad:
go figure......


Quote:

Originally Posted by z0ner
Sure enough, today Circuit City put the Segate 300GB ATA100 on sale for a net of $99 after $90 worth of rebates.


z0ner 07-17-2005 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_in_Dallas
In Dallas today, the Seagate 300 at Circuit City is $139 with only $60.00 in rebates..... :mad:
go figure......

You should be able to buy it online:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Seaga...oductDetail.do

Also, TigerDirect has a great deal on a 250GB Seagate for $79. It's OEM but comes with a 5-year warranty:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...8&sku=THD-250A

Dave_in_Dallas 07-17-2005 06:20 PM

Off the Wall Mirror Repair Attempt SnapServer 2200
 
I'm taking wagers on if this desperate measure will work..........sorry if it is unclear.

Snap Appliance tech support told me that I could not repair my broken mirror since my 80GB primary drive "knew" that it was part of a mirrored set. Installing a new blank replacement drive with the OS on it would not allow it to rebuild because it would be seen as a single drive [ID 10000 or 1000010] and not part of a mirrored set.
Sooooooooooo... desperation creates some fuzzy logic.

I've cloned my broken 80 GB Primary Snap Mirror drive to a larger 200GB drive with ghost.

I then used two separate new 200GB drives and created a mirror with no data on the Snap Server.
Now I have a clean 187GB primary mirror and a backup mirror each ID'd as 50000.
with no data on it, plus a 76,319 Primary mirror drive clone on a 200 GB drive [this came from the 80GB remaining Snap drive]. Don't know what will happen with the extra unused space...

Next planned step is to insert the remaining drive in position One. [Physical position does matter according to Snap Tech Support] and see if the system is faked out to rebuilding the mirror.........
Thoughts and input are appreciated... :rolleyes:

Dave_in_Dallas 07-17-2005 08:13 PM

Fixed a Broken Mirror -
 
GOT IT!!! :D
Most of the gyrations from my last post were unnecessary. After cloning the primary mirror drive to the other 80GB drive which I had formatted, I put it in the Snap Server 2200 to verfity that the copy was good. It booted up with both shares visible, and all the data intact!!!
Apparently the cloning process broke the mirror and all is well. My new 200GB drives will go into the 2200 as a 187GB mirror.
What a trip.... THANK YOU to all of the contributors and posters to this forum. There is no way in the world I could have succeded without your help.
Sam, Zoner, Misterbill.... Kudos. I'm staying a part of this forum.

For just a bit more than I would have spent on a billed SnapAppliance tech support call, I have 3 new 200GB Seagate drives as well!!!
Quoted from Zoner post 627
Destination: Seagate 300GB ATA-100 ST3300831A-RK

1) In another PC, I hooked up the 40GB as MASTER and the 300GB as slave (same IDE channel)
2) Using a boot floppy with GHOST.EXE, ran the following command as mentioned earlier in this thread:
ghost.exe -clone,mode=copy,src=1,dst=2 -ir
The whole clone process took only about 70 minutes.
3) Installed the 300GB and changed it to Master. Booted up the Snap and it was recognized as a 40GB drive.
4) Using the SuperSecret url (tm), (http://mysnapserver/config/debug), I put in
config devices format 10000 /reinit
5) Viola 137GB :-(
6) Realized I need SnapOS 4. Got a copy of it (THANKS AGAIN) and installed it.
7) Rebooted, and still 137GB. Go back to step #4, and
6) Viola 300GB :-) !!!!!
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_in_Dallas
I'm taking wagers on if this desperate measure will work..........sorry if it is unclear.

Snap Appliance tech support told me that I could not repair my broken mirror since my 80GB primary drive "knew" that it was part of a mirrored set. Installing a new blank replacement drive with the OS on it would not allow it to rebuild because it would be seen as a single drive [ID 10000 or 1000010] and not part of a mirrored set.
Sooooooooooo... desperation creates some fuzzy logic.

I've cloned my broken 80 GB Primary Snap Mirror drive to a larger 200GB drive with ghost.

I then used two separate new 200GB drives and created a mirror with no data on the Snap Server.
Now I have a clean 187GB primary mirror and a backup mirror each ID'd as 50000.
with no data on it, plus a 76,319 Primary mirror drive clone on a 200 GB drive [this came from the 80GB remaining Snap drive]. Don't know what will happen with the extra unused space...

Next planned step is to insert the remaining drive in position One. [Physical position does matter according to Snap Tech Support] and see if the system is faked out to rebuilding the mirror.........
Thoughts and input are appreciated... :rolleyes:


netwizz 07-18-2005 03:52 PM

WINHEX for drive imaging / cloning....
 
Hello everyone. I recently got a snap server and needed to upgrade it for a client of mine. While reading through the forums it became apparent to me that everyone seems to struggle with the upgrade process in some way or another. THere are several methods that indeed work but are somewhat cumbersome. Not being a LINUX person that was a little out of the question especially since I i dont know the commands. I did however find a much simpler way of doing things using winhex.

Take a bin file or iso or whatever you have for an image of the os and simply copy it to the drive in windows. Insert the drive and use the /config/debug format it and done. I noticed that 4.0.855 worked best for me with my quantum 1000.

Here is a link to the working bin with .855 on it. http://***********************


Also there is a copy of winhex there as well. please ask questions if there are any.


Jason Murphy

re3dyb0y 07-19-2005 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by netwizz
Hello everyone. I recently got a snap server and needed to upgrade it for a client of mine. While reading through the forums it became apparent to me that everyone seems to struggle with the upgrade process in some way or another. THere are several methods that indeed work but are somewhat cumbersome. Not being a LINUX person that was a little out of the question especially since I i dont know the commands. I did however find a much simpler way of doing things using winhex.

Take a bin file or iso or whatever you have for an image of the os and simply copy it to the drive in windows. Insert the drive and use the /config/debug format it and done. I noticed that 4.0.855 worked best for me with my quantum 1000.

Here is a link to the working bin with .855 on it. http://*******************


Also there is a copy of winhex there as well. please ask questions if there are any.


Jason Murphy

Cheers for that jason, another method that'd be useful for people.

Also dave, No Problem ;)

Dave_in_Dallas 07-19-2005 06:29 AM

When I tried this using the .855 image above, my Quantum 2200 would never boot up to let me do the config/debug/format command. Simpy Alternated with with blinking system and disk access lights. Access and browser failed to see the server.

I'm pretty sure this is pilot error. Anyone else with success using this technique, please post.
I had to use the clone comand in Winhex. rather that copy to get the program to see the Snap drive.
Take care.

PS.... the repaired mirror drive which allowed me to get data off my server is very flaky. Have to copy 10 or fewer jpeg files at a time to get data off. Very time consuming, but almost done. Any large transfer fails with item not found.

z0ner 07-19-2005 12:26 PM

I don't mean to hijack the thread (not like it hasn't been a hundred times already, :cool: ), but I was wondering if any of you know where I can get my hands on GuardianOS 3.2. If you guys think SnapOS is expensive (which it is), it's 3x more for GuardianOS :eek:

aznwizkid 07-19-2005 03:30 PM

Quick question does anyone know what file structure snap os is using? For instance if I was doing a raid 1 and the server died, what could I use to recover the data from my drive? linux? or windows? etc. Thanks

z0ner 07-19-2005 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aznwizkid
Quick question does anyone know what file structure snap os is using? For instance if I was doing a raid 1 and the server died, what could I use to recover the data from my drive? linux? or windows? etc. Thanks

It's been mentioned a few times in this 26 page thread, but it's a modified version of FreeBSD. Whether you'll be able to recover using Linux is a mystery to me. :shrug:

Dave_in_Dallas 07-20-2005 08:00 AM

Dead Raid1 in SnapOS -
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aznwizkid
Quick question does anyone know what file structure snap os is using? For instance if I was doing a raid 1 and the server died, what could I use to recover the data from my drive? linux? or windows? etc. Thanks

aznwizkid,
Depending on how dead your system is, look back at some of the earlier posts. I was able to clone my remaining drive which had a broken mirror with Ghost to another hard drive and the clone became readable. In an earlier conversation, Snap tech support did say that if the raid was intact, they could get it back up and running if hardware was not the issue. [no idea how] Cost is $120 just to do a tech support call, but I devoted A LOT more than that in time an frustration.

If Snap tech support can't help you, they will refund the service call. At least they did for me. Knowing what I know now, I would try that first before going through what I just endured. Not very macho, but very pragmatic unless you would rather put that $120 in larger hard drives for the Snap!! :)

aznwizkid 07-20-2005 11:32 AM

Dave,
Thanks for the response, I am not sure that is exactly what I meant though, I was wondering what would happen if say the snap server died, and the hard drives where still intact, would I be able to say plug them into a computer running freebsd or fedora (which can read UFS) UFS being the file structure besides ext2 and ext3 that freebsd creates to recover the data from the drives?

Dave_in_Dallas 07-20-2005 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aznwizkid
Dave,
Thanks for the response, I am not sure that is exactly what I meant though, I was wondering what would happen if say the snap server died, and the hard drives where still intact, would I be able to say plug them into a computer running freebsd or fedora (which can read UFS) UFS being the file structure besides ext2 and ext3 that freebsd creates to recover the data from the drives?


That is exactly what I've been trying to do for the last 3 weeks. My Snap failed and I was out of luck.
I was unable to see the drives with Knoppix or Mandrake Linux or Live FreeBSD. Nothing I had would see the drive at all or mount it. Search my other links and you'll see the odyssey.
Best of luck.

Leomania 07-20-2005 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_in_Dallas
That is exactly what I've been trying to do for the last 3 weeks. My Snap failed and I was out of luck.
I was unable to see the drives with Knoppix or Mandrake Linux or Live FreeBSD. Nothing I had would see the drive at all or mount it. Search my other links and you'll see the odyssey.

Dave, this may be more than you want to take on, but check out this article about the filesystems on the Tivo and see if it has any techniques that you might be able to use to figure out the Snap filesystem:

http://www-128.ibm.com/developerwork...xw01LidOffTivo

Also, I saw this tool discussed *somewhere* (saved the link on some darned computer or other...) which can guess at the partition table on a disk:

http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/

I've not used it, be careful with that one.

Hope that helps,

- Leo

Dave_in_Dallas 07-22-2005 11:08 PM

Linux Options for Snap
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Leomania
Dave, this may be more than you want to take on, but check out this article about the filesystems on the Tivo and see if it has any techniques that you might be able to use to figure out the Snap filesystem:

http://www-128.ibm.com/developerwork...xw01LidOffTivo

Also, I saw this tool discussed *somewhere* (saved the link on some darned computer or other...) which can guess at the partition table on a disk:

http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/

I've not used it, be careful with that one.

Hope that helps,

- Leo

Thanks Leo,
Aznwizkid [Jason ] and I spoke, and he has used the Winhex program to dup Tivo Disks very successfully. I did use Winhex to apply one of the Snap2200 bin images to a Snap drive with success instead of the Knoppix dd method.
Unfortunately, I couldn't use his Snap1000 image which had the 4.x software already installed.
I was able to get all my data finally by using a ghost clone which for some reason let the Snap have access to all the files. Something was still flaky as the data was devilishly hard to get off the server. Kept losing the copy during download if it was over 25mb.

New 200GB drives with 3.4.805 are working fine now in Mirror mode.
thanks for the input..... Think I'm still going to reByte. Don't trust my Snap any longer.

re3dyb0y 07-23-2005 05:36 AM

Files system is XFS i believe from what snap tech told me.

Can i ask where the 2000 bios update came from on my webspace? Does it work with other snap versions?

Would people be able to up the rest of the snap files to my space?

edcetera 07-23-2005 02:26 PM

For what its worth

reByte needs a cutomer relations department

I wrote a whole story just now and erased it, about a rebyte fiasco and decided that they were so much trouble to deal with then that I decided I would just mention;
The rebyte, and the computer you need to make a nearly good file server costs as much as the Buffalo Tech devices see links below;
Bufallo300 gig
or the
Buffalo 1 Terrabyte

Thanks

Sincerely / Ed

I have nothing to do with Bufallo and I own a Snap server 2000 and a 4100, sold my rebyte on ebay and gave the computer I built for it to a neighbourhood budding geek boy.

/ Ed

===========================

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_in_Dallas
Thanks Leo,
Aznwizkid [Jason ] and I spoke, and he has used the Winhex program to dup Tivo Disks very successfully. I did use Winhex to apply one of the Snap2200 bin images to a Snap drive with success instead of the Knoppix dd method.
Unfortunately, I couldn't use his Snap1000 image which had the 4.x software already installed.
I was able to get all my data finally by using a ghost clone which for some reason let the Snap have access to all the files. Something was still flaky as the data was devilishly hard to get off the server. Kept losing the copy during download if it was over 25mb.

New 200GB drives with 3.4.805 are working fine now in Mirror mode.
thanks for the input..... Think I'm still going to reByte. Don't trust my Snap any longer.


Leomania 07-25-2005 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poogles_uk
Can i ask where the 2000 bios update came from on my webspace? Does it work with other snap versions?

Hi Sam,

Did someone mention success in updating their BIOS version? During my OS updates the BIOS version stayed at 2.0.252, no change there at all. The forum contains a good collection of knowledge about what certain OS versions contain feature-wise, but it sure seems that the BIOS versions are much more of an unknown.

- Leo

blue68f100 07-25-2005 08:25 PM

BIOS upgrade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sid2000
Does anyone know how to upgrade from 1.1.0 to 2.0.0? Is it even possible to upgrade the hardware version? Can upgrading to a new SOFTWARE version also upgrade the BIOS and HARDWARE?

Many thanks...

Sid2000

I have the bios upgrade that will take you to 1.2.180 . This version does not enable LBA,, HD >137gig. But is required for the update to v 2. I have been looking for the update to v2. The upgrade process requires you to put your server in to updated mode 4 flashs with the reset, take about 30 sec to get active then you run the biosupdat.exe. It will ask for the IP address and off it goes, takes less than 5 minutes. I know that some hardware can not be updated, hardware restriction.

If need be I can upload it to snapserver that has most of the update avaliable.

I hope this helps.

blue68f100

blue68f100 07-25-2005 09:54 PM

BIOS upgrade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by poogles_uk
Files system is XFS i believe from what snap tech told me.

Can i ask where the 2000 bios update came from on my webspace? Does it work with other snap versions?

Would people be able to up the rest of the snap files to my space?

I dont know which ones you have. BIOS upgrade I got from SnapApplance were only good for the 1000 & 2000. I had 2. One took verson 1 up to 1.1, then the second wone to 1.2.180 . These models have software loaded in rom/bios. Upgrade are easy. Just install new drives and the server takes care of the formating/setup. 1100/2200 OS is stored on the hard drive, the resaon for having a image file of your hard drive. If it fails you loose you OS. I was talking to a person that use to be a snap tech. He said there was an update to take 1.2.180 to v2. I'm still looking for that.

I hope this helped.

Blue68F100

Sid2000 07-26-2005 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blue68f100
Sid2000

I have the bios upgrade that will take you to 1.2.180 . This version does not enable LBA,, HD >137gig. But is required for the update to v 2. I have been looking for the update to v2. The upgrade process requires you to put your server in to updated mode 4 flashs with the reset, take about 30 sec to get active then you run the biosupdat.exe. It will ask for the IP address and off it goes, takes less than 5 minutes. I know that some hardware can not be updated, hardware restriction.

If need be I can upload it to snapserver that has most of the update avaliable.

I hope this helps.

blue68f100

Thanks but my snap is already running bios ver 1.2.180. Here is my snap's info:

Software: 3.4.803
Hardware: 1 1 0
Bios: 1.2.180

I can change the hardware from 1 1 0 to 2 0 0 but I'm having problems trying to upgrade to version 4. I've tried running the following upgrades:

ver 4.0.829
ver 4.0.830
ver 4.0.855

but all above versions gave me an error. If there's anyone who can help me with this I'll be very thankful. My snap is still running but I just wat to upgrade to a larger HD capacity (2X300GB).

Thanks alot...


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:06 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
(C) 2005 ProCooling.com
If we in some way offend you, insult you or your people, screw your mom, beat up your dad, or poop on your porch... we're sorry... we were probably really drunk...
Oh and dont steal our content bitches! Don't give us a reason to pee in your open car window this summer...