To his defense I think I started the DMM thing. I did mean a DMM with a thermal coupler of course. I bought my last one for $18.00. :D

Actually, A DMM can be equipped with a temperature probe FYI. Just because I didn't say anything don't me I don't know what one is.

Don't make aqusitions about me or how competent I am.

One's competence is judged from the work they produce.

stop while you are 'ahead', relatively speaking

not only is aqusitions (assumptions, you mean?) the wrong word, you spelt it wrong. Hardly a confidence breeder, that one. Perhaps a sign of your 'competence'?

p0 - Sweet, so i can post an article on your site saying how ****ing ludicrous your reviewers and entire site are, and how you break laws by breaching the privacy act? Don't worry, I'll disguise it as a half-arsed review on something!

:rolleyes:

I think this site needs a disclaimer "check you emotions at the door". Everytime an article is trounced the guys feeling get all hurt. It took me a while but now I know that these are not personal attacks but a slap on the back of head that you messed up. Next time you writers need to start off your post with "F U all, and now that I am over my hurt feeling, where did I go wrong and how can I fix it?". You'd do a lot better and learn alot more (btw maybe the F U part would'nt go over too well but I think they would respect you more than with the current -in little baby sqeeky voice- "you guys suck and I'm not gonna read procooling anymore"). Just my 2 pesos.

I think he ment:

assumptions probably a better word though.

May I publish an article on your site about how a friend of mine was sexually abused by someone who went under the alias Player0?

Hey, they probably were ;) Feel free to make any report about me 'getting some', my boring rep could use a pick-me-up :)

I think it has to be hardware related tho, so you can make it a powered dildo review...that will work fine :)

That's the Christmas spirit!

I'll have you kissing babies and helping old ladies across the street in no time, mark my words!

LOL, anything is possible I guess! :D

I wish to write about my friend Jack. We were best of buddies, we grew up together and played hockey together as kids. I say "we were" because Jack is dead now. He blew his head off with a shotgun after what happened to him. This is his story.

Jack was a chubby kid. He tried to shed those pounds, but people still teased him relentlessly, which depressed him, so he ate, and the effect of his exercising was loss. One day he was out for a walk. He was walking along the streen listening to music, sweating away the pounds. It began overcast, and the clouds became omnimus. Anyway a man in a van pulled up and offered Jack a ride as it began to rain and Jack got in, thanking the man for his kindness. The man said his name was Player0. And asked where Jack lived, then Jack told Player0 his address, and the man said he knew how to get there.

As they drove, Jack relized they weren't heading towards Jacks house, infact they were going away from it. Jack said, "Are you sure you know where my house is?" Player0 said, "Shut up kid," as he grabbed a R22 Compressor and swung it towards Jacks head, then everything went black for Jack.

*****

When Jack woke up, he was in a basement. He could tell from the musky smell and the brick walls. He tried to move but his hands behind his back were bound by some sort of rope, affixed to what felt like a cold water pipe.

Player0 emerged from the beaded doorway, and said, "Lets have some fun now."

Jack never elaborated on what Player0 did to him that night, but said that he was zapped with a powersupply, burned with a Prescott, nipple peirced with a DMM, and violated with a dongle or some sort.

That night while Player0 played Quake 2, Jack ate threw his arm, freeing himself and he walk to the nearest Seven 11 and called a cab, as he didn't want to walk after eating so much.

*****

Later Jack told me this story, while I visited him in the hospital (being treated for eating his arm off). When he was released he killed himself.

I miss Jack very much, he was such a nice kid. All the elderly people in his neighbohood miss him as well as he did yard work for them and opened jars for them, and the orphans miss him as well because he gave them the money he earned for the yard work (he opened jars for a taste). It is a sad day for society, when Jack toed a shotgun. :(

Wow, you put a lot of thought in to male rape, violence and suicide...you should get that checked out ;)

LOL, f'n crazy ass canadians, aye!

I put half as much thought into that as you and your reviewers should about your reviews.

And here I thought it was only college GIRLS who got all experimental ;)

Wow Jaydee isn't that bad of a guy after all. :)

I guess I could learn a thing or two whilst i'm here. ;)

Heh, unregistered turned me on to http://www.iespell.com/. :)

Nice thought, but I don't use IE ;) FireFox all the way :)

anything else jd ?

I think I am tapped out.

Well I see Pro Coolings rep as a site for the "rude & obsessive" is being upheld.

BalefireX, your #6 post was a fine attempt to derail the bar-b-que. Nice try.

I wish WesM63's article was still up so I could read it.......but it's not. From what I read he did error in not factoring in the ambient temp differance but also admitted so clearly here and corrected it promptly.....and there may have been mounting issues to. OK, so as a new reviewer he had some problems. But does hosting a bar-b-que help? No. Does it do any harm I hear some thinking....yes it does.....a great deal of harm.......to this sites rep.

How much of his first post was based on the two posts before it........and how much from what he knew of this sites past rep for flaming the shit out of anyone falling short of the standards held to here? I'd bet a good deal of it, based on his first post, was due to past fire fests. But I don't have to bet on it you see, I know. I know as I'm the member he refered to in his first post who warned him not to make claims of accurate temps not supported by equipment up to the task. But I also told him he'd not be flamed to death if he was up front in stating his methods & his limitations. So much for Bill and JD's comments earlier regarding his opening disclaimers. He made that clear disclaimer to try'n avoid just what's gone on here. His honest mistakes were matches in the hands of arsonists. And Bignuts following first post was the 5 gallons of gas to make sure the fire stayed a hot one.

After that start nobody here had any hope to really offer any sort of positive critical advise. So you all just decried Wes's not licking up any drops of info you thought he should be gratefull for........BS!

Which is why this site is often dismissed at other sites as a place of extremist-know-it-alls who love being assholes. I don't recall who, and it doesn't really matter, but I've seen one member's sig when posting at other sites which states......."Pro Cooling.....It's true we are often a bunch of assholes." Like that's a badge of honor or some such.......yeah right.

I doubt anyone else here has met Wes63, I have. He's a hell of a nice guy when not under attack. Sorry none here had the chance to get to know that. Pro Coolings loss, though I'm sure far to many here won't beleive that.......which just goes to prove it more true.

Now regarding one of the "facts" posted in this mess.

JD posted a graph taken form the interactive block comparison chart.......but which jet did the author use (I honestly don't know).........and which jet is used in the interactive graph? If as JD suggested in one earlier post in this thread the one in the interactive is with the "stock" jet, and Wes63 was making use of the #4 or #5 jet......then how relavent is posting that graph?

I'd like to suggest that the one in the interactive graph be labeled so anyone can see what the data shown really represents. And in fact, IMO, it would be even better to list the TDX/RBX twice to show the differance the differant jets (original vs #5) make. Or would the number 5 jet perhaps show the TDX in a better light?

The biggest surprise to me regarding this thread is the revelation of PlayerO reading his members PMs. While not illegal here as it is in much of the EU and Aus. it is a contemptable act. Sad to see how little PlayerO understands how deeply it offends, or he'd never have braged of it in this thread & needled Cathar regarding it. As it becomes better known It'll cause a loss of some of his membership, keep other perspective members well away & generally result in a total lack of trust in his leadership @ LN.

Sigh,

BalefireX,

May the force be with you............

I very seldom post here any longer.........this thread is a good representation of why I don't. I've seen to many just like it.....

BE
someone may have a copy of it, but if you know Wes just ask him

its problem (for me) was the Luddite/anti tech tone of the intro - and everything that followed
some actually like technology, I think we are called 'geeks' by those with less interest
people who like technology get into it, they do not denigrate the tools or the individuals who use those tools
people who embark into new activities do not 'normally' presume to write articles about such, they learn FIRST
people writing for the public better get their article vetted by someone knowledgeable, or they may be called a fool

Wes led with his chin and got decked, a shame he could not have had you read the article first
I have to wonder what you would have said to him ?

Your way doesn't do any good, my way got a bad review pulled. Get it?
No, that post was completely stupid. I would say ignorant but he has been here long enough and so have you to know why it was stupid.
Yeah, a mistake that should not be made period. A second mistake that should not have been made period. He is NOT A NEW REVIEWER. This was the only review he planned to do. He sold the freaking system. His main error was doing a half assed review. This site's rep is not harmed a bit.
What the **** dude? He didn't state his methods and limitations. He blatantly said he didn't give a shit about proper testing and his review was "no bull" when in fact is was complete bull! The way he sated it was his way was the only way needed and proper testing was unnecessary. So cut the ****ing bull shit!
Who cares, it was a one off review. No point in teaching him anything, especially after making it blatantly clear he didn't care.
Seems to be getting things done.
No a loss at all. He made it very clear he didn't give a shit about the way ProCooling does things.
I asked the question which jets where used and no one answered. :shrug: After finding out his main mistakes it turned out to be completely irrelevant anyway.
Take it up with pH.
Your a good man BE but your way way off base on this one.

But does hosting a bar-b-que help? No. Does it do any harm I hear some thinking....yes it does.....a great deal of harm.......to this sites rep.

And how many flame wars have you participated in yourself here? You were vocal enough when it was my review and take on the TDX.

The biggest surprise to me regarding this thread is the revelation of PlayerO reading his members PMs. While not illegal here as it is in much of the EU and Aus. it is a contemptable act. Sad to see how little PlayerO understands how deeply it offends, or he'd never have braged of it in this thread & needled Cathar regarding it. As it becomes better known It'll cause a loss of some of his membership, keep other perspective members well away & generally result in a total lack of trust in his leadership @ LN.

It's sad that the ones who have a personal issue with me are coming here to shit on a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with me what so ever ;) There are many sites that filter and read PMs. There are lots of VB hacks for that specifically. I've never been anything but upfront about it. Hey, every character you type on my site comes in to my home and sits on my PCs. Even if I wasnt looking, it's impossibly dumb to think that I couldnt. So why hide that fact? Its in LiquidNinjas.com's agreement and forum policies that clearly states that PMs do not fall outside of moderator jurisdiction.

In Cathars particular case, his name was put on the VB scan list due to his previous actions on the site. I got his PMs which contained some ungreat things, and I warned him not to continue violating LN policies in private as well as public.

Cathar's just pissy with me so he wants to try and stir up shit and anti-Player0 and anti-LN sentiment, and it's all the same ones who flamed me before here, so I'm neither surprised nor concerned. He can come on here and start spraying as though he's made some great personal discovery about how horrible I am. He never would have known if I hadn't wanted him too. It's not like he read our policies where it's pretty clear. Everyone on LN has known about that forever.

Like I said, Im sure many many forums you visit do the same thing, only they may not let you know that. If you're worried about privacy, use PGP or something. What kind of privacy do you really expect by sending plaintext to the internet?