man my words keep on getting misunderstood... I guess I ought to get my 'speech' looked at or something... bah.

I dunno, talking to the computer noobs I play with in WoW, I've come to see one thing in them: they're all afraid to water cool because they think there is some kind of astronomically high risk with the water bursting from your tubes and spraying the entirety of your case and parts. Even the people who are semi interested, that's always their first question 'what happens if it leaks???'
I know this is a terribly old and beaten topic around here, but there are new noobs who need to hear it growing up every day. If we are to pick up new readers, we have to keep producing material they can understand and/or find useful. It's sad but true, most people want to be able to look at a bar graph and 'decide' what's best. Think for them, perhaps. Which would explain why all of the terrible kits still sell well...
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well those kids you play WoW with prolly think Women are scary, and that big fire ball out side will hurt them. I wouldnt base any facts off people who have lost touch with reality to the point they need to hide in their own lil simulated reality for most of their waking hours.

ROFL.

hmmmm
 

If there are more like me.. there will be people who first visited you site when they were 13 and one day in a net cafe during a typhoon randomly remembered the address.. and boom... here i am, hi!

I have my own computer, and it is a peice of crap, and also about 8,000 miles away.. i will rpobably build a watercooled HTPC like you were talking about.. did i say hi?

hmm Joe so I guess all my credibility is gone?

... the undead.
btw
http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/games/wowworld.html
good read.

hehe hey you said it I didnt :)

hahahahaha holy shit, thats good. yep its a disease as much as herpes is in hookers.

WoW issues aside......

I started moving into my new place today and it looks very promising for testing. Room temp inside was 70F without A/C on while outside temp was 88F. That's a hell of a lot better then my current place. My current place is in the sun all day lone. Windows on the east and west. The new place the windows are north and south and has larger building on the sides providing shade. I have to be in there and out of here by the end of tomorrow. Heh, my Apt. is kinda like a big computer case.


So that leaves the die sim rebuild and some minor adjustments to the test bench (plus re-setting it all up) and I should be good to go. My last tests of the WWLE and TDX were pretty on with pH's on the GPH vs. dT graph though so I think I am in decent shape to start testing in 2 weeks. I have spent a long time (couple months) working on my mounting method and I am pretty happy with it.

If all goes well I will have stuff to post once the site has changed over. (WWLE, TDX and MP-05 results)....

I got moved over the last few days and just got internet hooled back up. The test bench is up and running. TDX tests are done and have the Maze 4 on there now. I decided to forgo the die sim mod as I can't justufy spending $40 on gas just to mill a new die sim that probably isn't much better than what I am using. I did lap the die sim today with a technique BillA suggested and it came out good.

Anyway I intend to post some results of blocks tomorrow in a new thread. I will update the thread as I complete each block. Looksl ike I can get 2-3 done a day. Tomorrow however will be spend all on the MP-05 SP and the 3 nozzles.

Keep up the good work and keep us posted. I still wanna see you build a chiller though.

Still going to build the chiller. What I plan to do is get a bunch of stuff that needs milling, buy the material and tooling and then go do it all at the same time. My mill is setup at my Grand Parents house and that is a 300mile round trip. It will cost me about $40 in gas alone right now. Money is a little tight at the moment after the move. Making do with what I got for now.

Joys of water block testing.... I am going to scrap all my results from yesterday. I am finding my probe was loose and not sure when it became that way.... I hooked up the MP-05 SP with #3 nozzle today and am having a very hard time bleeding the system of air because the block is so restrictive. I have a work around for this but I need to re-plumb some stuff.

So today I am going to tackle both of those problems. I am going to setup a second temp measuring system as well with the CF633 to keep things in check. I can also data log with it to.

Anyway, results will be put off a bit. I hope to have the bench up and running as right as it can by the end of today and will run the MP-05 SP and all 3 nozzle's first then the TDX and then down the line of 2 barbed blocks. After that I will setup for 3 barbed blocks and run those out.

Glad to see the site upgrading.

Many good ideas for the forums, look forward to seeing them all up and going. Saw a couple changes as soon as I dropped by today.

If you ever do decide to do some hardware reviews, please please do the reviews like bit-tech does.

I.E. they dont just give you numbers, but settings that worked the best for them when actually playing the game and not just running the demo test.

i cant stand reviews that are hey look at me i scored a 12000 on 3dmark etc

Edit: i remember the first time i found this site, back when i was helping a friend of the family do her e-mails and i had sooo much free time that i would always search about overclocking stuff; that was back with the good ole christovan or christovan153 username haha

Hrmm... It’s been quite a LONG time since I posted anything or checked much of the forums - why? Flat out - you'll have to forgive the venom or perceived negativity - but I started seeing the direction that a lot of more experienced posters were going and that was basically, that DYI'ers/ing work and ideas were laughable in their eyes. Or that if you could not reproduce CNC'd like quality machining, then your ideas and opinions were not as valued. I also saw a sense of new/lesser experienced DYI'ers moving away from DYI'ing for the simple fact that the "experts" on the site weren't catering to them as much and pushing only CNC/expensive design theories/models/ideas, which lead to people just buying all this supposed "innovative" kits and misc parts... People dropping the whole idea and experience you get from going out, getting whatever parts you can and DOING IT! Making something from YOUR own hands and using what you've read and picked up on from other people Vs just shelling out some cash to the next copy-cat vendor....
No doubt these people make wonderful products that take cooling to the next level and beyond, but it's the fact that I have seen LOTS of innovations without proper credit given. I have not bought any water cooling blocks or reservoirs from a site and hope to never do so. I LIKE building, I LIKE the experience of using my MIND to innovate and trouble shoot. Buying is fine for those that can afford to do so, or just don't have much interest in using or tapping into their unforeseen abilities to create for themselves. The tide has rescinded and has washed in a whole market of credit less innovations which I think has the undecided user thinking that building and learning the way I and many others started out with, and hopefully continue to do - as the way of the past - the hard road that should be avoided... Sad, but I've seen it with my own eyes from the continuing posts about "which block, res, HCore, case, tubes, pump etc... should I buy," Vs "Hey guys I have an idea for xyz project, any opinions?" For those that disagree, look at the posts over the years and see for yourself. Again nothing wrong with buying something, esp if you cannot produce it at all... but catering toward buying things, man that's NOT the way to go. It takes the HOBBY, the experience learned, the knowledge gained, the forum comradery from ASKING people for help and tips- out of Watercooling!
Once I saw this shift, I too lost interest in liquid cooling myself. I'm very disappointed b/c of my unexpected attitude change. It disappoints me to see people feeling like if they ask a "stupid" "noob" question they'll get railed/flamed on by the "higher ups" of this community — as expected. What's funny about that is my own little experiments of doing so. Posing questions that would be viewed as silly/ noobish and EXPECTING and KNOWING that some of the same overly-aggressive people would live up to a predictable pattern of forum bullying and thus making the tentative poster, not even bother with posting said idea(s). Naming names is pointless since it's more of a group think or group reinforced/acceptable behavior which should NEVER be tolerated!

Eg: “Oh that’s just xyz guy, he’s hot tempered…” BS, stating such and NOT taking punitive action against such behavior or mannerism just continues to reinforce said behavior! Don’t LET it continue, please.

Hence why even myself, became tired of the same people habitually mouthing off and attacking others. It's just NOT a way to retain members and certainly NOT a way to encourage new lurkers and guests to become part of the water cooling community. Water cooling IS a community of people from all walks of life and philosophy. Some come, some go, but never let the community become another over saturated MARKET place for vendors - who constantly scour OUR forums for other's ideas and innovations, to then put in their products... thus the fanboys begin emerging - endlessly touting product XYZ for a particular vendor and then attacking anyone who decides to challenge the authenticity and reasoning behind such practices. You all need to start thinking about HOW did all of these water cooling vendors sites just suddenly pop up? How did all of these so-called innovations in PC-cooling methodology arise? It wasn’t inevitable as many would have you believe. These ideas were researched and stripped from forums like procooling. And the ideas continue to do so…

It’s like a funny episode of Seinfeld where Elaine is talking about how good the muffin tops are, while being overheard by her former work boss/colleague Mr.Lippman – then the next day while walking down the street she comes across a shop called “top of the muffin to you,” and low and behold – who comes out from the back to offer her a muffin top? Her colleague and seemingly respectable boss Mr.Lippman! Then he says

Mr. Lippman: Elaine these ideas are all in the air. They're in the air.
Elaine: Well if that air is coming out of this face then it is my air and my idea.
Mr. Lippman: You want a muffin or not?
Elaine: Peach.
You KNOW who you are… read your own posts and see your change of habit and seemingly unbiased opinion.

Wow, with all that said, it sure seems like I'm the bad apple/negative in the bunch - not really... I really did like this place! I was always checking the forums, sometimes multiple times for new posts. I Miss that experience a lot! It's a rare occasion that I pass through and look for someone's new "hey can you help me with my project?" post. I hope the spirit of DYI'ing stays alive and is nurtured by senior members of the forums. :confused: I still cannot believe that I’m don participate in the forums any longer… I guess that’s a good thing to some, and a sad progression from my own hindsight. I sure have learned a TON of stuff from the 1st day I started posting and reading the forums.

Some will and would love nothing more than to pick this diatribe apart (and I know who will be doing so… hehe) but why waste text? It’s MY opinion, from MY experiences and proving them false or “wrong” does not change what I and maybe a few others have experienced. Your dissent can NEVER take that experience away nor down play it… the only thing that can is FUTURE change in attitude from the community leaders of this and other forums, and from myself as I continue to learn from other’s posts. I hope I can come back to this place some day and feel at “home.” I hope the site and the forums stay true and continue to flourish! Well folks take care, and keep DYI cooling and the spirit of learning from kinetic experiences alive! :) :) :)

Re: So Lets talk websites, the cooling scene, etc...
 

I mainly lurk here but it's where I come for what I think of as definitive answers. I then shamelessly steal everyone else's ideas and pretend I know what I'm talking about at Overclockers UK where we still get the "what if I put my radiator in a mini-fridge" threads once a month :rolleyes: This site is linked in the WC sticky and maybe that helps some of the questioners to come here and learn. Over the last couple of years, the expertise at OCUK has definitely improved and the amount of interest has grown to the point where OCUK now stocks Swiftech components. This site is at least partly responsible for that.

As to how it should change (assuming it should) I think the Wikipedia idea is spot on. There is a fantastic amount of information here but it's mostly in the forums which aren't always the best advert for the site. Getting that data out of there and into a user-friendly environment would be great. The forums are the generators of the data and a great place to go into the nitty-gritty but I'd like to see that data presented to the general cooling public in a nicely searchable database of some kind.