i don't think Cathar would win a lawsuit, but it would be good grounds to get something out of the company, i think they'd rather pay him off. honestly, they know where they got the design from. there's only 1 WhiteWater out there. but to tell you the truth, it's very hard to win a lawsuit agains big companies, copyright and patent infringment isn't something to mess w/. why do you think there are soooo many knockoffs out in the market? i would threaten though and push them a little bit, see if they shove back.

bullshit MH (this not related to wbs)
not all are pigs, some seek to elevate their snout above the trough
you attribute brutishness to all as apparently your barnyard contains only such types
there are individuals of integrity, though perhaps not too common in the mercantile class of money grubbers common here and in the Far East

- we individually contribute to and create the world around us, yours sucks

But...
 

Here's my rant.
Each time a block comes out that :

- based upon
- remotely looks like
- looks like
- direct copy
- other

to Cathar's work, we get a bashing thread. Sure, the situation sucks.
As much as a blunt weapon. But please.
After the first few threads, it's getting old.
Sorry guys.

that is a pretty picture you paint but you should take off your rose colored glasses.
The reality is people don't care where WB come from they just want what marketing say is the best bang for the buck.
The minority can scream and yell but we won't get heard.
Buy the block you feel is right but hearing the complaing that this is a copy of that, and that someone's work gets ripped off isn't fair, keep that for the barnyard.

MH, I suggest you put on your glasses
did you read TerraMex's post ?
go back and READ my posts here, 7 of them, 4 on-topic
-> in none of which was 'fairness' raised

the disappointment is that a 'good' company, such as Asetec, was unable to show any creativity
(and I know first hand that they DO have some clever people)
lets hope their work shows up next time

reread some of your posts
endless bashing of business and all associated
I repeat, your brush is too broad

And I will make a new thread everytime a copy comes out. It is about doing what is right. Not about leagal issues, not about fairness, not about money, not about business but what is RIGHT. If Asetek has some talented people then why would they make a WW clone? Simple, to mooch as much of Cathars success as possible before the oppurtunity fades. Same goes for the other clones, many just don't have the talent to make their own creation but are capable of reading a micrometer which is all you need to reverse engineer something else.

This country (USA, but the world in general) is becoming more and more corrupt everyday. I get tired of slackers trying to rip off someone's work for their own greedy profit. Especially when that person has contributed more useful information to the WC community than anyone I ever seen.

lol... I think its stupid to make a thread about ripping off a WB design... you all have pretty much proven that that design is very effective and can be manufactured in large numbers. Why does it suprise you that someone copies that design? Light bulbs are all pretty much the same even though they are produced by different companies. Why? Its probably the best mass producable design... I think its quite possible that these companies dont have a lot of talent. You have to pay engineer right? Why would you pay an engineer when you can come on a board like this for free? I doubt companies come here and look at a design and say "hey lets screw this guy out of some money" They probably think "hey, I could make this cheaper"
In capitalism, you dont have to be the originator of an idea, you just have to make that idea cheaper than everyone else...

course this doesnt apply if you patent it...

first of all, the waterblock production industry hasn't reached the point where you can compare blocks to light bulbs- the analogy of efficiency and performance apply, but not the lack of an enthusiast market- this industry hasn't been around long enough to disintegrate into a corporate environment (a bad one)

second of all- who developed the block? Stew F. aka Cathar- his design- his idea- his R&D- his time- his money

who should make money out of it- him, but he doesn't, and considering that Cathar hardly makes money from his blocks, I don't think he strives too- isn't it logical, given all of the above, that companies wanting to use his design, ask his permission as Dtek has done.

It looks as though such companies have lost touch with the enthusiast community or something. I give props to swifty and dtek for originality, but I haven't seen alot of blocks out there that don't rip Cathar's off in some manner :rolleyes:

and thirdly- they're thinking- cashing out time!

Yeah, I commented on his work in that thread. I didn't take it the way you did.

For a DIY effort, without knowing the exact specs of the original Cascade the guy did a pretty good job. While he may be able to make 10 in a month for his friends, I don't think anyone needs to panic.

And with the waste problem refered to in that thread, just how much do you think the actual cost per block would be, with his time figured in, if he were to try to make them for sale on a wide scale?

As Cathar not only does not get upset over people making a DIY copy for themselves and a couple friends, he even offers them tips at times, I don't think anyone needs to panic over this one.

There is a big differance between some guy making himself and a circle of friends a few blocks, and a company making hundreds or thousands of them for sale to gain a quick profit for that company.

Does the Asetek block outperform the RBX?
http://www.ninjalane.com/display.asp...ame=antarctica

it seems so, but are they using the same fittings? same pump?

LOL

o The overclocked CPU temperature is exactly the same as the unoverclocked temperature
o The ranking of the waterblocks changes with heat load (not possible)

Not something to put much faith in.

im not sure as to whether this can apply, but why didnt cathar ever patent his designs?

im saying this because one of these commercial water block companies have a "unique patented diamond grid" baseplate. im guessing cathars method of jets on microchannels is patentable

my o.o2

o my gosh it looks so much sweeter then cathars one (srry cathar!!)
but still, blatant rip off

It's all part of my evil plan... :evilaugh: :evilaugh: :evilaugh:

Wow, that really lame. Something wrong with a simple link directly to Ninjalane's review?

edited. when looking for the link of review I used the quick "copy link address" from my admin panel instead of clicking it, letting the site load and then copying the address. sorry for the confusion. it's not like the redirect had a) banners b) any money in it for me. ?

but people who click your edited link will get the full site ;)
:confused:

Does your site keep stats for page requests? It would be interesting to see how many people, if any, clicked on my invented link.

no idea, stats are pretty globally tracked ;)

those evil Plans for world block domination. :evilaugh: :mad: :D

there I thought I was the only evil one in these here parts.... :)

im the worst of all u lot, infact ima go and patent these designs to my name tomorow... MUAWHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Go ahead and try. It'd be amusing.

Since there exists masses of prior art, good luck in getting it to stick.

lol, go and get some US patents for X amount of money (over 10k US isnt it?)

Its a shame how patenting works, anyone that is a 'backyard inventor' has to work uphill to get anything to be in their favour for business. Ridiculous to even consider unless you are going into full production.

Not only that but "tomorrow" there will be different and better designs for the same price. One reason patents on WB's are near useless.

Tomorrow? Same price?

Oops - did I mean to say that aloud? :evilaugh:

Hehehehe... Well maybe not "tomorrow" but soon.... :cool: