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Butcher 05-29-2004 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mklt
I am an associate of Dr. Haslims. I said nothing about being a rep. Dr. Haslim and I go way back in history. He and I worked on aircraft deicing systems. Various types of systems. Fluid, electromagnetic, electroexpulsive, piezo systems to name a few. He is beyond reproach. He's a retired Navy Captian who during the korean war received the Distiguished Flying Cross for flying over the advancing Korean army to help protect his own troops. He flew until his aircraft was just about out of fuel and all shot up. He had enough fuel to make it feet wet and then had to bail out because he couldn't make the carrier. That's the kind of guy he is and that's the reputation he puts behind his work. So I believe in his technology/ product and support him in any way I can. I was out reviewing the forums and came across you guys and it gave me a way of seeing how others were receiving the product. That's all. I am more than happy to be a means to an end for you and get answers answered if you have them. That's all.

Being a war hero doesn't somehow confer a massive knowledge of chemical engineering on people. That story doesn't make me think any more or less of fluidxp to be honest. Though it does make me somewhat suspicious of your credibility - it looks like you're having to resort to patriotism to try and get people to support your product rather than technical merits. Frankly that sort of smoke and mirrors promotion leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Got KarmA? 05-29-2004 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Butcher
Being a war hero doesn't somehow confer a massive knowledge of chemical engineering on people. That story doesn't make me think any more or less of fluidxp to be honest. Though it does make me somewhat suspicious of your credibility - it looks like you're having to resort to patriotism to try and get people to support your product rather than technical merits. Frankly that sort of smoke and mirrors promotion leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Perhaps he's responding to people accusing the operation of being a bunch of kids with lab supplies in their basement.

Titan151 05-29-2004 02:35 PM

ack,

ummm, after reading all of these posts I sorta forgot the coolant I was going to use. Now was it water wetter...uh no, perhaps something with glycol in it, no not that, maybe some kind of store brought non conductive product, ack to expensive. Oh hell, I guess I will just use some of this scope I got sitting next to the sink. :D After all it is minty fresh and that must be good fo something!!

jaydee 05-29-2004 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Got KarmA?
Perhaps he's responding to people accusing the operation of being a bunch of kids with lab supplies in their basement.

Perhaps we are testy because we see to much bull shit products ripping people off poping up everywere. ;)

Waterbug 05-29-2004 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mklt
I am an associate of Dr. Haslims. I said nothing about being a rep. Dr. Haslim and I go way back in history. He and I worked on aircraft deicing systems. Various types of systems. Fluid, electromagnetic, electroexpulsive, piezo systems to name a few. He is beyond reproach. He's a retired Navy Captian who during the korean war received the Distiguished Flying Cross for flying over the advancing Korean army to help protect his own troops. He flew until his aircraft was just about out of fuel and all shot up. He had enough fuel to make it feet wet and then had to bail out because he couldn't make the carrier. That's the kind of guy he is and that's the reputation he puts behind his work. So I believe in his technology/ product and support him in any way I can. I was out reviewing the forums and came across you guys and it gave me a way of seeing how others were receiving the product. That's all. I am more than happy to be a means to an end for you and get answers answered if you have them. That's all.

That's a great idea thou, getting manufacturing reps to get on forums to discuss issues with potential customers. Someone oughta start a web site or forum that invites reps to participate in discussions.

I'm still trying to get those documents out on this site but They're bigger than the 75mb limit for the browser uploads. I'll have to try something to get the number down. I might have to email them out.


Later
mklt :cool:

Do not take this wrong, but a soldier is brainwashed to die for his land and his other camrades. Thats how the military works, or cannon food as i like to say, and that does not show me anything, more than that he is easy to manipulate. Maybe he is shellschoked, what do i know, the military records say noting to me really. Maybe he could join with another watercooling company or manufacture the fluid in a cheaper county to make the process cheaper in the end.
I would gadly buy it, but at a reasonable price.

Butcher 05-29-2004 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jaydee
Perhaps we are testy because we see to much bull shit products ripping people off poping up everywere.

It's the mark of a scientific mind not to take things at face value without proper evidence to back them up. There seems to be little evidence in favour of this fluid and a lot of smoke and mirrors...

jaydee 05-29-2004 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Butcher
It's the mark of a scientific mind not to take things at face value without proper evidence to back them up. There seems to be little evidence in favour of this fluid and a lot of smoke and mirrors...

Completly agree. That's what I was getting at.

Got KarmA? 05-29-2004 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Waterbug
Do not take this wrong, but a soldier is brainwashed to die for his land and his other camrades. Thats how the military works, or cannon food as i like to say, and that does not show me anything, more than that he is easy to manipulate. Maybe he is shellschoked, what do i know, the military records say noting to me really. Maybe he could join with another watercooling company or manufacture the fluid in a cheaper county to make the process cheaper in the end.
I would gadly buy it, but at a reasonable price.

For the sake of keeping these forums reasonable, I have chosen not to post what I originally intended. Just let it be known that this post offends me to the deepest core of my self. Keep your ignorant viewpoints of the military to yourself.

Butcher 05-29-2004 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Got KarmA?
For the sake of keeping these forums reasonable, I have chosen not to post what I originally intended. Just let it be known that this post offends me to the deepest core of my self. Keep your ignorant viewpoints of the military to yourself.

Differeing viewpoints are a fact of life, deal with it. Personally I don't have a particularly high opinion of the military, but I'm not going to go into it as it's not really on topic for this discussion. I think that it was inappropriate for mklt to bring it up in the first place in fact (partly because the military is such a contentious issue, almost as bad as religion).

kronchev 05-29-2004 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Got KarmA?
I would agree. You're also digging much too far to criticize a product because it doesn't fit your needs. It's marketed to those people who would like to take the extra precaution, and would like to keep their system as low-maintenance as possible. If they've got the cash, let 'em spend it.

After all, we're not all perfect.


i do the same for people who use koolance gear. maybe i just dont like people being lazy?

kronchev 05-29-2004 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Butcher
It's the mark of a scientific mind not to take things at face value without proper evidence to back them up. There seems to be little evidence in favour of this fluid and a lot of smoke and mirrors...

FINALLY someone said it

kronchev 05-29-2004 10:03 PM

Wait wait wait

When that says its 89% as effective as water, I assume they mean de-I water? Well, de-I water is EVEN LESS CONDUCTIVE THAN THIS STUFF. So if youre comparing De-I to XP+, XP+ has not only worse performance, but is more conductive!

Butcher 05-29-2004 10:05 PM

Water in a cooling system which uses copper will not stay deionised for long. :p

Waterbug 05-30-2004 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Got KarmA?
For the sake of keeping these forums reasonable, I have chosen not to post what I originally intended. Just let it be known that this post offends me to the deepest core of my self. Keep your ignorant viewpoints of the military to yourself.

Sorry if i upset you, this was not my point as stated above, it was my own point of view to show that you cant market superstuff because you are a war hero, thats ridicolous, he may be a hero for some and not for others.

OT you may have taken this a bit personal, but then you might feelt hit by my post. I have been a soldier so i know about it, and all the brainwashing stuff,
families in sorrow, with lost sons while the pres sits on his porch sipping a whisky an writting his memories about how he won the war.
As said before, litle of topic, but then again im sorry if i offended you, but this is the reality of life.

kronchev 05-30-2004 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Butcher
Water in a cooling system which uses copper will not stay deionised for long. :p

well, you know what I mean. distilled.

Butcher 05-30-2004 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by kronchev
well, you know what I mean. distilled.

Once the water becomes ionised it loses it's non-conducting properties.

mklt 05-31-2004 07:17 AM

Buthcer you're an ass
 
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Originally Posted by Butcher
Differeing viewpoints are a fact of life, deal with it. Personally I don't have a particularly high opinion of the military, but I'm not going to go into it as it's not really on topic for this discussion. I think that it was inappropriate for mklt to bring it up in the first place in fact (partly because the military is such a contentious issue, almost as bad as religion).

I'm usually not one to bad mouth individuals but I need to make an exception this time.

Buthcer, I brought up the fact that the Dr. was a war hero to kind of give you an idea that the man has integrity. He was a man willing to sacrifice his life for others. Willing to give his all for those men stuck on the ground needing support. Obviously, you know nothing of the concept. As you type your little comments I can see your true nature coming through in your words and I see a little man (If you're old enough to call yourself a man). A very young, LITTLE man. A shelfish, ignorant man who has no regard for those who have gone ahead of you to pave a way of freedom by spilling their blood and dieing for their country so that you might have this freedom to come on to this site and spout your little words and let people hear you being soooooo smart. You obviously are one of these liberal "know it alls" that think everything will be fine and dandy in this world and no ill will will come to our country if we just dont stand up and defend ourselves. Check your history out or are you too busy gaming to actually read? read about Hitler and Chamberlin. You must get your ass kicked a lot. If you forget our country is free. We stand up for ourselves and do what has to be done. We are strong in our conviction for freedom because thats who we are. We help the world and if you don't believe that read the chapter on Hitler and the war in europe. 400,000 men sacrificed for the world to be free. There will always be ass holes, like some on this forum, who will unfortunately benefit from those who are willing to sacrifice themselves to maintain the freedoms we all benefit from today. I feel I can spout these words because I sacrificed 6.5 years of my life leading fine young men and woman in harms way to defend our country. Something you'll never do because you're too fukn selfish to get off your ass and contribute something back to this nation even if it ment getting involved with a civic group to help the homeless. Your words mean nothing to me from this moment on because they are little, shollow and selfish.

waterbug, obviously you served under Clinton because you feel like you were given a raw deal. He was no president, he was no commander and chief. He was an impeached womanizing asshole who embarrassed this country to no end and when he had the opportunity to take out bin laden he let him live. See where it got us on 9/11. Sorry you bad experience in the military. I guess I was lucky I had a great experience.

Right on gotkarma!

For all the others who had to endure these comments I apologize.

For all those who want to receive those copies of the test results from SF Analytical and the first two pages of the MSDS write men at mklt@att.net

Butcher I take it you won't be writing since you feel you will continue to use your own formula. matter of fact don't write and waiste my time. I've given enough of my time to individuals like you. 6.5 years of it.

Regards, (Except Butcher)
mklt

Brians256 05-31-2004 10:39 AM

Alrighty, then! See what happens when you get personal? Dang-nabbit, stop this crap.

Thread is LOCKED as soon as I find the controls.

Brians256 05-31-2004 10:44 AM

Let's see if this closes the thread.


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