pH, and ProCoolers...

In the past month, and for the last 10 months I have been doing an insane amount of PHP work and have wrote some excellent apps to organize, and retrieve data. (like a complete LAN Event Management System, and the upcoming MWL website thats in the final stages of being written.

I have a large stock pile of code (like 3MB of raw PHP code), functions, and pages I have made for the MWL stuff. In about 2 weeks I will have some free time to work on some side projects (since the new MWL site will go live in under 10 days). If you guys want to talk about an app that can be a dynamic FAQ at something like wiki.procooling.com I am game.

if you want to start a thread, and start talking specs, I will get something taken care of for you guys. I am off the site as far as running the place on a daily basis but have much love for it and want to help it when I can. So please let me know. I figure something like a Dynamic FAQ / info page with multiple authors, and submissions could be done in a couple weeks easily. I am in the coding thing right now, so why not benifit off it. then it also gives pH a reason to pay for hosting of the site still :) hehehe

HardOCP referals are far down from where they were at one time. Back in 2000 if hardOCP linked to an article on cooling (mainly cause high cooling was still a fringe niche thing) you'd get 5000 people in a day. Now it seems to be 1/2 that for water cooling links. But I think thats because the topic in general has become common place.

I think it's also partly due to the fact we are posting one page reviews of a single wb rather than a big shootout or a large project

Thats the issue - while the knowledge exists, its not getting to the community. Sure, you can pick up lots of stuff if you read the forums every day for a couple of months, read some old threads, do your own research etc. (what I've been doing) but the majority of people don't want to put that sort of long term effort in when they see a "water cooling basics" or "water cooling explained" 3 page writeup on some site.

A wiki would work if people (specific people - you know who you are) contributed to it, and if it got exposure - people need to be viewing it, and that means it needs to be linked to - maybe pH should take BillA up on his offer for Swiftech's press release mailing list.

There is a SIGNIFICANT fraction of water coolers that think Procooling is a bunch of pompous knowitall assholes. Writing a wki on watercooling probably won't do much to change that. So the people who could really benefit won't and it's a lot of effort for those who will. If there is enough interest that the work gets suitably spread around though I am game.

well is it significant or a fraction? thats like saying a miniscule fortune :p

"There is a SIGNIFICANT fraction of water coolers that think Procooling is a bunch of pompous knowitall assholes."

this is so
I spent some time on Pug's forum and the dislike of procooling is intense
(please do NOT go there and be negative, it is Pug's sand box - don't pick a fight)
this dislike extends to include the competence of some/all of the 'big shots' around here

now I understand disliking an individual, but should such also invalidate the work done ?

I think a wiki would be a nice project, but accomplish nothing
look at the forums, most posts are asking the obvious (to us), which is already in stickys on that site
if noobs wanted to read them they would, but its also more fun to chat with others - and some enjoy the spoon feeding of others
good strokes, everyone is happy

I'm even thinking that using words like "idiot" and "fool" may be counterproductive
- better idiotic and foolish perhaps

Even though people might think that Procooling are snobs, if we still had a wiki that was peer reviewed and maintained properly that would go a long way.

Would suggest perhaps that there be 4-5 "reviewers" to whom they can get emailed new stuff that is intended to be added, so they can comment and call for improvements. An article of knowledge can be entered, but can only be made visible with approval from, say, 2 reviewers and the editor.

Many people abound in various forums pointing back to Procooling as a place where to get answers. The general tone here does tend to scare off the noobs though, which is perhaps a good thing, but a publically available knowledge base would go a long way to meeting the goals of educating the public.

Hmph. I have troubles expressing my humour in forums on-line as it would likely offend many people and get edited/deleted. Think "South Park", but less toned down.

Wait so is Pug still sending an AlphaCool kit to review or not? Guess I should e-mail him?

his last word was that he was, no ?
should be ok

I have been repeatedly been unable to re-establish contact with WCP (to send them a wb)
my e-mails to them bounce after 3 days
??

Just read through a bit of Pug's forum. So much hate.

I WOULD like to see their FAQ for the performance benefits of small tubing. Hopefully demonstrated by their being placed deep underwater with only 1/16" ID tubing through which to breathe. :)

Apparantly I'm a greedy hypocritical c**t (rhymes with hunt) who is only in this for cold hard cash.

I seriously wonder how many people can afford to live off ~$1000 US/yr? Mind you, out of that I have to pay the machinists for prototyping block designs.

I think I'll go live it up in Hawaii on the left over millions, that is, of course, if I can afford to pay for the taxi fare to the airport.

Anyone who knows who I work for and my real financial situation would think I'm utterly insane for even bothering to spend any time at all on waterblocks.

Hey I'm ill-educated (don't know if I should take that as an insult to me or my advisory committee) and apparently I work for Danger Den! If nothing else I got a new sig for the weekend :)

http://www.wizdforums.co.uk/showpost...7&postcount=16

awesome


http://www.wizdforums.co.uk/showpost...7&postcount=21

goddammit I just noticed that that retard insulted my wife too. If I weren't so busy counting money obtained from selling 1/2" water cooling kits I'd start a flamewar

omg. this is the biggest waste of time ever...the guys retarded. let it be.

and can we keep the quote posts to less than 30 pages from now on? farking brutal. so hes an idiot, whats the point of arguing with an idiot...even if hes wrong he'd never admit/know it.

We are talking about an entire different set of retards now Jonas. Might as well keep it hidden in this thread where it doesn't end up yet another huge flame war right?

LOL yeah i realized that. i skipped the middle page because my eyes started bleeding. carry on and disregard ;)

oh and after looking at the review WTH IS WRONG WITH THAT GUYS THUMB?!! thats really not normal.

1/2" high pressure... Oxymoron?

I totally agree! We can do everything he says we do! It'd be great satire!

What's this whole pug thing anyway? (Mr. Poo is a goddamned idiot)

OMFG I was reading through their forum for amusement and it just pisses me off so badly. First off, they're comparing Porsches to American sports cars. Is that even any sort of relevant comparison? Second, I just saw Nexxos say that water flows faster in low bore tubing. Do these people have no concept of the physics that they speak of (and profess to know well?) This is ****ing ridiculous.

I believe you can propel water to a faster velocity in smaller tubing than larger, but overall its less total flow rate. Flow is more important than velocity correct?

Remember what I said about forums having a "poisonous" stage.

Velocity in the right places is what counts, I think.

More flow = more pressure at the restriction which should equal faster velocity at the restriction?

or am i totally off base

Count your fortune later, I'm willing to help make some limeaid flambe. :evilaugh:

That's true, which is my point. Velocity is only useful in radiators and waterblocks, where it reduces the boundary layer, aiding cooling. No cooling is done in the tubing.

You're right, Etacovada.

Cathar, I think this has reached the WMD stage... It sort of makes you wonder... Are these people "well" educated? I should hope not...

Even they're "DD moneygrubbing cunt" theories are horribly flawed. If we wanted to make money, wouldn't we be at overpopulated chump forums? They also focus on the size of the tubing although that's not our issue at all.

What's the Pug issue?

I was going to start a fight there but I couldn't find any suitable threads that were short and didn't want to read through several pages of stupidity.

I just read through the whole thread;

They, like pug, are fixated on the 'small tubing diameter' which they instantly think means low flow... whilst they're using 700lph alphacool pumps with 1.6m head, 1048's and 1250's. No real point in posting and calling them hypocitical idiots; im sure the response would be pretty sad.

seriously. not one noticed his freak thumb?

No point hammering these guys. You will not change their minds. Unfortunately some people are happier thinking that they can just be different. Which ends up making them more conformist sheep than to just follow the regular ideas. Sheesh cant people just try thinking on their own once without someone telling them how to think. The crazy thing is that this is all based on proven physics yet they seem to deny it with simple statements. I really dont think there is anything you can do. Long ago people wanted to hang anyone that said the world was round. We haven't really come that far since then, just better toys.

I realize that many people have a negative view of Procooling - "elitist" is a term used by even those who don't particularly dislike the place. That is no reason to retreat into an ivory tower however, where we conduct our scientific experiements far from the view of the lowly public - instead we should be reaching out to them, and I think that a wiki with peer review is a good way of doing that - people know procooling has the information, now they just have to learn that they can get it in the prepackaged variety they enjoy so much.

I'm usually a big fan of BillA's "learn it yourself" methodology, but in view of the overwhelming ignorance in the community, some prepackaging may be required.

If understanding fluid dynamics and heat transfer is in itself viewed as a bad thing then what is the point?