Bill,
Here we go again making assumptions that we don't know anything about. :rolleyes:

I might of led chin first and got decked, but I don't go down and stay down that easy.


You can expect more reviews from me, hell if you even knew me half as well as Craig does then could go ahead and make assumptions that you might know a little bit about.

JD, The review wasn't ment to be a one time thing, I sold the system as I needed money. I'm sure everyone has done that before.


For those of you that actually read it, everything was stated in it. but i'll say it again for you nay-sayers. To some, a geek like myself the reviews/numbers that jo e and PH put up are a good hard start at what to look for but are somewhat limited in other aspects. I want to know more about the block, how it mounts ect. Others do to, hence my style of reviewing. I look at every aspect not only from the geek side of things but the general populations side of things. I left the stock jet in the TDX for a reason, the general population wouldn't change the jet, so I didn't. I used simple tools and simple ways of explaining things, the PC refrences in my review were made for a reason, not to put down PC as some of you might say but to make it clear that my testing was done in a diffrent way than "the gods a PC", who's reviews are looked at as the "holy grail". I used MBM to monitor temps because I didn't have the money to buy an expensive Digital Thermometer and using MBM fitted in quite nicely with the basis of my review, its simple and alot of people use it even thou its quite innacurrate.

Now that everything has been stated clearly please read through this a few times before you all continue making assumptions about my competence among other things.

//pours more gas on his own flaming... whilst thinking to himself, "Its useless to argue at PC, you'll never win, they're as stubbron as you are!"

Yes those are quite close, but would still imporve clarity to have the differant #4 curve included & label the original as such.

And the differance, though slight, above 1.5gpm will be of interest to some try'n to decide what block to go with.

Good luck going shopping this close to Xmas........shudder......braver than I. I really dislike going in stores this time of year.

Thanks pH.

Wes,

Glad to know you'll try again. Sorry this happened & that my advice regarding this article was so far off regarding how it would be recieved here.

Happy holidays

"Bill,
Here we go again making assumptions that we don't know anything about."

ok, what or which assumption(s) are you referring to ?

you sold the rig ?
hope that did not include the Swiftech wb as Gabe is expecting you to return it

you will find a stronger correlation with intelligence and 'winning' arguments than simply being stubborn

The content of the posts and PM's at LN are no longer available for me to defend myself, and it's basically just Player0's words against mine, and y371's.

y371 had asked a question about the Cascade in a thread. I responded. Player0 jumped in trashing the Cascade ("total waste of money", or something to that effect). What that had to do with the question I had no idea. Player0 then embarked on some rampage amounting to saying that water-block advances were pointless and that TEC's atop CPU's were the way to go. We got into a debate where I was basically saying that the reported temperatures don't neccessarily tell the whole story. Player0 then started throwing insults about, beating his chest claiming how all-knowledgable and important he was. y371 contacted me via LN's PM system asking me what Player0's problem was. I actually made an attempt to play down the situation. Player0 then started attacking y371 in the public forum thread using the content of y371's PM's to me. I got offended at the invasion of privacy over this, called Player0 on his bullshit practises, he threatened to ban me, and I basically said "Fine. Do it! I want no part of a forum who's administrators behave in this way".

The LN admin's, primarily lead by Player0 on a rampage, presumably because he was upset that somewhat wasn't kissing his ass and taking his word as gospel, decided to ban me after I requested that my account be cancelled. One of the LN forum admins subsequently contacted me by email to express his disappointment at the way Player0 had been acting, but also stated that I had said some things in the past which caused this action, but had declined to inform me just what they were.

Frankly I was appalled at the level of personal attacks levelled at myself by Player0 when I had pretty much just been reacting to his attacks on my work. He was basically calling me a liar and a corporate whore when I stated that I made no money on the blocks I make. All without foundation though.

I'm glad to never be a part of the LN community. My memories of that place have been going there a number of times to defend baseless attacks on my work and character, and I can only assume that this is the "history" to which Player0 refers. Obviously he's just a bit pissed at people that don't swallow his crap. I've never had such problems at any other forums that I visit. Anyone who has known me for some time now will know that I conduct myself in a very level-headed fashion and do my best to avoid making any form of personal attacks, whether publically or privately. Basically what Player0 describes as my behavior simply is not the way that I act.

If anyone has the issue, it is him. I still have no idea as to what caused the antipathy in the first place that was rampant over at LN towards me. I'm glad to never be involved at that site again.

Re: Cathar's banning:

Good riddance to bad rubbish imo. After all, you, BillA and I have done more damage to this forum than you can possibly know.

To much stuff going on in here to take every post apart and reply.

BE, it is a very bad thing that WES would want to do more reviews. Read the second quote in my sig and that says enough about why. As for my posts not helping get he articles pulled? Whatever. Also even if the jets where not the same on both tests it wouldn't matter. You could put the best jet in the TDX and it still would not beat the MCW6002 by 6C period. They guy can't even keep a system without selling it for money. I would highly recommend not bother doing more reviews. What happens if he needs money again? Sell the test bench again? People need to stay out of things they not only refuse to do half way right but cannot support.

Wes63: I am SURE you are good guy and nothing here is meant to attack you as a person, just your position on this review deal. I am done with the issue until you review something else badly. :D

PlayerO: We had our differences in the past and I stayed out of this PM issue and anything else you said here. I will state PM's are meant to be Private. People expect them to be but surely that is not a guarantee they are not. If your TOS says mods and admins can read them then that just adds another reason not to go to your site not that you care (which is to bad as you have a good user base and could make something of the site). Also I don't believe ProCooling claims to be competing with any site (just my assumption) which is one reason this remains the only site I regularly post at. That will not change until Joe or pH as me to leave or ban my ass permanently. :D Anyway I got nothing else to really say to you that the others havn't already.

Also to BE, I will not change my attitude or posting manner. I already toned it down and that is it. I treat these people the same I do the people that I am in charge of at work. If they can't do the job or are not doing it the way is needs to be done and rufuse to change they are gone. Reviewers are doing a job, they can't be allowed to do it of they can't do it right (or acceptable). Trying to pamper the ass obviously has failed miserably. Ever since we started slagging these reviews these reviewers now at least know there is one site that will cut their bull shit down. It is making progress slowly but surely. People are much more aware of what "should" be done in a review. Wes63 opening line in his article and first post in the thread proves it.

The content of the posts and PM's at LN are no longer available for me to defend myself
Its all there. Use the search button.

http://www.liquidninjas.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=7823
http://www.liquidninjas.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=7833

I don't know if Cathar is still banned from LN... I haven't been back to the forums.

You visited several times for over a month after he was banned asking several different questions. Just a quick Find All Posts by...

I suggest that if you wish to continue trying to slander it, back it up with proof. Its easy to put words in my mouth that I never said. But, anyone is welcome to go read the truth.

Search button and a user's post history search at LN does not work for those without active accounts.

Looking through those threads again, I see nothing where I attacked you personally, except for when I had a go at you after it was obvious you were reading PM's. Plenty of personal attacks levelled at me by yourself though prior to that.

As far as I know, no PMs have ever been read by Procooling. For sure I don't have that ability nor do the other moderators. Jow may have that ability as the vbb admin but I'm not sure he has ever exercised it. Seems like asking for trouble because as soon as you are looking through PMs you become liable/responsible for illegal things done via PM...

Bill,
Must I really quote you again? Well here it is once again...
This is no longer about the review Bill, this is about you thinking you know me when you actually know nothing about me. Like I said, quit making assumptions that you know nothing about.

Regarding selling the rig, You guys have some serious issues, regarding me and my personal business. Since you think I need to explain everything, I sold the rig for 2 reasons. 1.) Needed money at the time. 2.) To get something bigger and better. (No Bill I didn't sell the wb, its setting at home next to the tdx. I'm still waiting on gabe to email me back, and you for that matter as well.)

To some of us computers are not just used towards engineering new things, some of us actaully use our computer(s) for things. I use mine for gaming amongst other things.

JD, If you think keeping the same rig is necessary for reviews, I still have my first Duron 850Mhz that did 1150mhz on air, think that would suffice to do tests on? ;)

I think privacy is a concept that some understand, others not
people that accord others the 'right' to privacy are annoyed when that courtesy is not returned
those that enjoy snooping could care less what others think
- seems to describe the above

snooping says much about the individual

Sorry WES but your making your ignorance or uncaring about the subject more evident by posting that. System testing needs to be done in a manner your not whiling to do. Just forget about it and leave it up to the people that can do it in a fashion that is actually usefull.

[quote=WesM63]Bill,
Must I really quote you again? Well here it is once again...

I'm still waiting on gabe to email me back, and you for that matter as well.)

Wes:

Keep the W/B, but make sure to use it with a chip that features an IHS next time.

Merry XMas and a Happy New Year to all.

Couldn't we all get along, in the spirit of the season? :p

Cheers, Gabe.

Well today IS festivus. Wouldn't be the same without the airing of the grievances.

Why not, if it that makes you feel good. But to me it's different. I look at our people in the office, exchanging gifts and great big hugs, simple things really, but it sure feels good.

There is another way to put it: forgive, but not forget :-)

Gabe

Hey I don't make the holiday traditions up, I just follow them :)

I could TOTALLY imagine BillA carrying a Festivus pole around though...

Oh, come on now BillA is gruff in a very tong and cheek way. He really is a big-hearted guy.

just like Frank Constanza!

Bill a gruff ?

How Dare You !@#^

Hmm, on second thoughts..

Anyways, he does keep a long (8~10 feet or so) , silver, hollow pole in the backroom.. Could this still qualify as a Festivus Pole if has 4 x170mm fans at one end, and a rad at the other ?

JD, It was ment as a joke. Hence the smiliy at the end :)


Gabe,
Thanks for begin so kind! Perhaps use it on this S939 system I'm building....yes it has an IHS :)

BTW, Happy Holidays everyone!

Happy Holidays back at ya! :)

Happy holidays to all! !

ROFL!

*finally smelling the wind of change*

Happy Holiday ;)

lol

Merry xmas all, only 6 hours to go here :)