When will my pumps be here dave? It feels like i have been waiting for ages!

Hi all!

1st post at this forum, although i'm a regular visitor! :)

Dave:

I ordered 2 mags a week ago, directly to c-systems, and sent a mail to sales. I asked for an eta and about an issue in the site that didn't allowed me to order an hard mount for the pumps. Still had no answer... :(

I also need an opinion:

I have a loop composed of: 1 cpu block, 1 NB block, 1 graphics block, 1 dual hdd block, 1 black ice pro and 1 plack ice extremeII. I use 10/8mm tube. Should i run the pumps in series or in paralel?

^First guys, if you don't hear from sales, please just email again.

They have had several reports of email not getting through, and have discussed this with our ISP.

I have nothing to do with sales, and do not have access to there database, I am just an engineer.

Dick I would run in two seperate loops, both meeting at reserve.
Too date this has been the most effective configuration.

Running one loop at high pressure / flow will not be as effective as two loops at lower pressure / flow.

I would also suggest, given all that plumbing, you cosider one of the non-conductive fluids, as your chances of leaks are higher then average system.

Post some pic's when your done!
:D

I liked the two loops idea. I just need an extra opinion on the loops: I'm thinking of having one loop with the CPU and the BI Pro and the other BI Extreme II with the NB, Graphics and the HDDs. What do you think?

My specs:

P4 3.0 (prescott)
Asus P4P800E (intel 865pe)
Geforce 6800GT
2x Maxtor 120GB Sata Raid 0

oh ...I see fluid xp+ magnum getting into the act!

^ That is a interesting version, about 20% more torque then standard MAG.
Low RPM and impeller is designed just for XP as well.

Not sure why there using an head unit picture, so far I have only seen XP pumps at the shops.

Dave, the XP Magnum pump is only $5 more than the regular MAG pumps. do you really believe it performs better? also, right now DTek only sells rear inlet MAG's i believe, i believe the "T" stands for Top inlet and the "R" stands for Rear inlet on your site, is there a performance increase running it w/ a Top inlet as the DDC's benefit greatly from having a Top inlet. also, do you think at any time in the near future, C-Systems would well just the tops, so that the users may convert Rear inlet pumps, to top inlets and vice versa? thanks! there are so many products are the market now, it's getting very difficult to decide.

I imagine the higher torque would be to make up the difference of the lower vioscosity of the fluidxp ...I suppose.

The XP model is designed just for fluid XP.
XP has a higher viscosity then water, and like using too much glycol, it will void warranty.

This is a long term load issue, where our electrical components exceed our certified test conditions.

We modified the components on the XP model too provide the proper loading with higher viscosity of XP, or glycol mix of up too 30%.

If you use water, or low glycol % mix, standard MAG will work better for you.

No, no, no - see Robotech's mod to see the difference.

I am on my second watercooling rig, both of which were cheap kits. The second (and current) kit has been nothing but trouble. It is a Kingwin AWC-1 . My first one leaked internally where the pump/res connected to the internal radiator. The second one quit pumping after two weeks. The third one quit pumping last week (95 days after first purchase) and I refuse to get another one. I was wondering how I could hook this up with a csp-mag and get it to work again (also which type pump (t or r) and fittings I can make fit the tubes it comes with.) I can disable the siren for the pump (said siren Kingwin thoughtfully provide in their pump/res {wonder if that was because they knew pump was faulty and didn't want to pay for ruined systems}) but was wondering what the best option would be, replace the main rad unit, replace res/pump, or just install one of these inline. I work for a heat transfer company (mgr of a call center for modine) so I know quite a bit about vehicle heat transfer but it doesn't relate when you are talking about cpu cooling. I want to use both the cpu and gpu blocks, and use both radiators, so what would be the optimal flow pattern, right now its mainrad/res/pump ---gpu----cpu---aux rad---back to main. :cry:
oops I forgot to mention I am using a distilled water/ and manufacture provided antifreeze mix. (their term for the additive, I assume its a standard anti-algea mix.)
I also wonder what you recommend for coloring that wouldn't void my warranty and what coolant you require for warranty.

These things look like a serious improvement and I wish to purchase one. My father basically challenged me to complete my watercooling system by telling me I would never be able to do it. So here I go!

DangerDen is selling these pumps for $45.

i tried looking for it for $45, couldn't find it at DD. can you shoot me a link?

Ooops, it's $49 - http://www.dangerdenstore.com/produc...&cat=23&page=1

Not ooops, it comes with NPT fittings, at choice, 3/8"or 1/2".

And a sidenote, MAGs are at Danger Den now :)

MAG's are getting around! DD, DTek, FluidXP+, and C-Systems and i think limited others. but my question is... when am i going to get mine? who has them in stock?

My question is...when is the Review?

I'm wondering the same..... I ordered mine 1 month ago straight from C-Systems and the damn thing still B.O. I thought it would be faster to order 1 from them than to wait for other distributors to have it since they are located in Canada. OMG, I was so wrong :cry:

DTek has theirs in stock. you may want to try them, or DangerDen. the FluidXP MAG's are designed for FluidXP liquid in mind. i get my MAG's today!!! *knock on wood*

i got my MAG's in today! after i ordered 2 of them DTek went ahead and dropped the price $4 on each :mad: i wonder if they'll give me a credit since i waited for them and they dropped the price during that wait. anyway...
Dave- is it ok to drill out the outlet hole? i noticed that it's not completed drilled out. or if it is, there's still some Delrin/Acetal in there that would block some of the flow.

i didn't get my choice of top but that's ok, i'll find a way to make it work in a Shuttle and in a full tower.

i know i'm not the only one with a MAG,there's PLENTY more people but how would i go about gathering data about this pump so that people would know how strong it is? i sold my MCP-650 and my Eheim 1250 already, only pump i have to compare it to now is my MCP-600.

Id imagine the outlet hole being drilled would kill your head pressure. But I too am curious about that.

*Edit* Found this after I posted

http://www.systemcooling.com/csp-mag-01.html

should be interesting :)

^ Yes will kill your head pressure.

Good article though, not sure why Lee's pump ran 0.5 psi below spec's, likely do to 12V vs 12.5V.

Still odd, since we read 0.4 psi over 750 at 12V .

Maybe his pump is getting warm, since it does not have thermal conductive potting compound.

We left it out so he could see "what" was inside.
Regular pumps look like this inside
www.c-systems.ca/images/encaped.jpg


Most systems run 12.5 to 13.5V, so unlike the 750, we designed for this voltage range.

Dave

Interesting fact: MAG x MCP350
MCP350 has almost double pressure, but less free flow rate.
I think it is caused by closed X open impeller. Closed impeller generates high pressure with flow loss. Opposite to open impeller.
Which is better for micro-channel block??? Is MAG enough for micro-channel???

http://www.systemcooling.com/images/...le-maxhead.gif http://www.systemcooling.com/images/...e-freeflow.gif


http://www.systemcooling.com/images/...graphs_big.jpg

Other interesting fact: maximum power requirement (8.4 W) is at free water flow. In opposite to deadhead (7.2 W).
This indicates that load (backpressure) will not cause any issue to motor or electronics. Could am i right?

will see...

"This indicates that load (backpressure) will not cause any issue to motor or electronics"

You are correct.

Is MAG enough for micro channel?
I measure 5.87 L/M using single MAG at 12.5V, 1/2 tubing on a Danger Den TDX block, 5.30 L/M at 12V

Just checked again since Lee's numbers seemed a little low.

I am surprised how much difference 0.5V makes.

Cather has a MAG OTW, lets see what his numbers say.
I believe he was going to test up to 14V, which is ok with us.

My Mag came in from D-tek Thursday. Must say Dave, it is a lovely little pump. I too, am curious about the outlet hole, it does look like a little reaming would help, but I will not touch it if there are negatives to doing such.

Anyway, awesome pump......

Had a some time today, and I tested 10 different pumps using a RBX block this time, just as Lee did.

Lowest pump was still 5.8L/M

Only thing I can figure now, is Lee had some particles in his block.
This happened to me when testing a TDX block once, turned out to be hair.
Maybe Lee was using 3/8 ID fittings?

I also tested our flow meter, using a 19L water bottle, and it seems fine.

Sorry can not explain Lee's 5.2 L/M numbers :(

If someone else wants to test, I will send them a pump.

It maybe no big deal, but we want to make sure our claimed performance numbers are correct.

Since the pump doesn't ship with barbs the performance is always going to be subject to whatever barbs the end-user fits. Not all barbs are created equal with some 1/2" OD barbs I've seen having an ID about the same as a 3/8" OD barb.

G1/4 is incidentally the same as 1/4" BSP, well at least for me 1/4" BSP threaded male barbs fit just fine.

My pump arrived yesterday but it must've been knocked during shipping quite severely as when I turned it on it had a very loud rapid ticking noise that was loud enough to drown out the noise of a 12cm Panaflo L1A that I turned on for comparison.

Pulled the pump apart, inspected it, and reseated the impeller assembly carefully and noticed a significant amount of stiction with its contact with the bearings, so sadly it seems that this pump has been damaged in transit. After careful re-assembly the noise quietened down a good deal but the ticking noise is still significant above the very quiet "hum" that other users of this pump describe as is typical.

Dave has been in contact with me and we're having the issue resolved. From what I have seen of the pump it is definitely a very nice pump, and I look forward to seeing the best it has to offer...

That is right. I suggested C-Systems to offer plastic fittings (Delrin) at both thread (G1/4 and 1/4 NPT) as well 1/2 and 3/8 barbs.

I know that you know that G1/4 has 19 threads/inch with pitch 1.337mm while 1/4NPT has 18 threads/inch with pitch 1.412mm.
So i will ask you to be careful with this.
If it fitted fine thanks to Delrin female thread.
BTW follows mechanical difference for others users who has not these specs.

British Pipe Thread ( Whitworth Form) -- Parallel (BSPP/BSPF)
(important spec.) G 1/4 Parallel Thread - Nominal Size = 1/4" - 19 Threads per inch

http://img232.echo.cx/img232/6788/bsp3eg.jpg

Others specs.: Major Diameter d=D 13.157 mm --- Minor Diameter Male Thd. - d3 = 11.445 mm --- Tap Drill Diameter = 11.6 mm --- Included Thread Angle = 55 deg --- Pitch - p = 1.337 mm

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NPT Tapered Pipe Threads
(important spec.) Tapered Threads - Nominal Size 1/4" NPT - 18 Threads per inch

http://img96.echo.cx/img96/2777/npt5zw.jpg

Others specs.: Taper Angle = 1 deg 47' --- Pipe O.D = 0.540" = 13.716 mm --- --- Included Thread Angle = 60 deg --- Pitch - p = 0.0556" = 1.412 mm