I make questions when i dont know the answers to them!

Let me explain then:

If not, why not negotiate a price with him?

Same thing but with overclockers.


Just thinking they could maybe sell it as used equipment, in case of overclockers, OR, in case of Billas, rent it! Should be a way to use the equip for the good of us all.

I doubt it is not in use. I imagine Bill uses it for Swiftech products and what not. No way he has time to do everything with it. it takes forever to test a block properly.

From what I understand, Bill ended up selling it to Swiftech, either in whole or in part, and uses it there.

Joe at OC built his own bench, which isn't as accurate as Bill's, but I believe that Bill had a hand in helping him build it.

I have admiration for all that contribute to the comunit

all have our difficulties

it is impossible to have all the answers, and to know of everything

I have some difficulties, I follow studying, I am just a small producing of equipments for watercooling of high efficiency

as it is easy to build systems of high efficiency and to break records for me, it is difficult to understand some technical points, bill understands several points that the times I don't get to understand, but he never showed me to be able to build more efficient systems than mine.

I don't know most of you very well, and most of you doesn't know me, but like you I am also the community's part, and I have an or two things that can help to improve the efficiency of watercooling systems.

Mainly in extreme systems, where I cost vs benefit it is not main factor

all the people that donate a part of your life for that community, be me, bill, cathar, joe, ben, all the one that had contributed should be respected, therefore in some, or many moments of your lives left of your side families, your luxuries, money , your free time to share your knowledge, successes and mistakes, and they are not able to, being right or wrong, they be despised.

The more the men's ignoramus is that thinks know everything

it is always very easy to point mistakes in the failures of the other ones, the difficult is to suggest a solution.

Ben, I have been acquiring some equipments of high precision for my production, I am alone studying and setting up a bench test to improve my watercooling systems.

I would be willing to donate some equipments, for an organized group of people with knowledge to evaluate watercooling systems as a whole, never only waterblocks.

I don't believe that the future is summarized the waterblocks construction, I believe that we already have products exlents in the market, today being more necessary to evaluate the group and the other parts of a system.

It is today necessary to evaluate pumps, radiators, connections, and other parts, in my opinion.

Waterblocks also, of course, but not only them.

Most of the systems that I see with terrible efficiency is due more to the use of wrong components and ignorance to a basic rules , than the acting of the waterblock.


When somebody finds a middle of doing those tests in way organized, honest, and professional , i will be ready to give my investment portion.

Happiness to all

Ivo Guilhon
(Copyman)

Thank you Copyman!

If you're interested in joining, send me an e-mail with:
your coordinates
a bit of background about you
and your interest.

I'll then put you on the mailing list, and we can discuss what you'd like to do, in more detail.

Nicozeg, who's in Chile, is a member. Maybe the two of you could get together?

Fine! one of this days I'm going to cross the 3000+ Km, 2 borders and one language that separate us to have a testing meeting. :eek:

It's a great idea to have an excuse to travel to Brasil, but unfortunately I also need the money and the time! :cry:
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Copyman said something that I completely agree: Why obsess with a single component of the cooling solution, if the final goal of having a cool CPU depends on the complete system.

It is a lot easier and more achievable to test complete watercooling system as if it were a heatsink/fan combo.

Specific waterblock tests can be done as a diferential test by switching only the block of a reference system.

Of course this is not going to reach the LOD of a BillA test, but is something easier to achieve by a common mortal. ;)

I'd like to gather some data on rads, but that's a whole other story all on its own.

Just like water blocks, first there's the flow characteristics, then there's the actual performance.

Personally, I'd like to put together a kit that could get shipped all around, so that we can gather flow test data on a whole bunch of cores. That would be a start. A flow meter and parts to a simple manometer, with some instructions.

As for testing the performance, that requires some different equipment. Personally, I'm not up to doing it, but maybe someone else would be interested.