and why care what others think ?
I do things because I wish to, not for the approbation of others
I have this recurring notion that accuracy is more important than approval

and you know what ?
it works (but you'd better be accurate)

no no I meant what is the point of prepackaging. I get great enjoyment from this current play/testing (my one annoyance is the noise levels). Did you find that lots of time in the presence of fans and equipment during testing made you hyper sensitive to noise when computing Bill? It is getting worse and worse. Thank goodness I have a nice notebook I use at work (and most of the time at home) that is very quiet.

I'm having a major problem with this. We had to get LCD's and Rear Projections because the high pitch noises from transformers are getting to me. I'll be honest, one of the main reasons I got into watercooling was the idea that at low noise you could perform better than high noise on air. I'm getting so sensitive to high pitch noises. 60mm fans kill me, but not like crt tv's and monitors.

It would be nice to have an interactive faq/database where we can pool and share our knowledge.

It'd be nice to have the thermodynamics, physics, chemistry, and other scientific principles explained in exactly how they relate to watercooling.

Maybe a few examples of proper ways to test things so that others can do testing that we would all find meaningful and useful.

The problem with googling for knowledge is that most of what I've seen is poor suppositions mixed in with some nice pictures and randoms nuggets of real info.

Here is my dilemma re a Wikipedia for water cooling:
What is really needed for "newcomers" is an entry level discussion on how to build a leak-free kit, how to avoid common mistakes in plumbing, how to optimize the parts you have. Example: I will wager that at minimum 20% of the radiators in water cooling loops at this moment have air trapped in them to the point that performance is compromised.

This sort of discussion is FAR removed from the technical discussions that we have had. Are we far enough along as a community to have the wb DIYers in the construction forum and the "ill educated morons" with the technical background get together and publish a site on how to optimize a design and then machine it? I don't think so; Bill's the smartest of all of us in this respect and I'll wager he has a big stack of MCW 6000 prototypes on his desk.

This is what I mean exactly.

I wasn't suggesting that it be a replacement for the forums - there is no way that it could move as quickly as is required for the technical discussions that make procooling the place it is. What I am suggesting is that the people who know what they are talking about write those articles - and the peer review/submission format is a way to make it a shared effort rather than a huge burden on one or two individuals.

A high school chemistry textbook is not written by high school students, it is written by real chemists; currently the entry level "texts" of watercooling are being written by the students, not the scientists.

It could potentially be a very good resource I agree and a lot more user friendly than the forums or the Linkage section. It's also 100% in keeping with Procooling's overall goals and history I think. Would it be better to have it formatted and controlled here (with Joe's code) or on the Wikipedia site and moderated by people from several places. I'll go on a limb and guess that Cathar will help some in either case. We'll need his prose :)

I'd keep the control internal - I liked someones earlier suggestion of peer reviews before posting, and I'm not sure how the wikipedia site works with that; i.e. having authorized peers. People like Cathar are vital to something like this working - not only if they want to write, but also just to look over stuff before it goes up and addressing any concerns. Perhaps we should branch off into a new thread to discuss what topics (beyond the ideas you stated earlier) should be covered?

a brief outline will focus the discussion a bit
I'm hearing noob guide, then wb design; the 2 are decidedly different

yes pH, the fans got old indeed, so I relocated everything with a fan into another room with a common wall; 3 3" holes for cables, tubing, etc. - and no more fans, compressors, pumps
my office is much cooler, the equipment room is at 95°F

now if I could make a silent computer . . . . .
hell, if I could make a computer that wouldn't break
crap, learn to type ??

OK I'll start a new thread in the main liquid cooling forum.

hmm - you could always follow this guy's lead .... ;)
http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_fullstory.asp?id=3828

Wizard designs.
 

The few do not represent the many...

http://www.wizdforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=504

Give us a break guys Wizd cannot be responsible for every posters actions. I tried to calm things down in the particular thread you linked to but failed so it is now locked.

The link posted above is the ACTUAL Wizd response to this. I have mailed everyone from procooling who posted in the thread (except joe who I do not have an e-mail addy for)

We have no wish to enter a forum bashing contest with procooling or anyone else for that matter.

the actions of a vocal 'few' should not be taken to be necessarily representative of a 'group'

applies to all I suspect
but there were Luddite comments wrt testing

damnit, my post is gone from there, it was nicely funny I thought ;)

I was politely asked to remove Mr Poo's quote from my sig by knipex. No sweat I tire of interforum drama after a few hours or so anyway. Joe your post was GENIUS; where do I nominate someone for poet lauriate?

This is not the first time I have been accused of being biased in my reviews. Interestingly every time it happens the poster in the same breath says the testing methods are good and the results are correct. Also rather amusingly the first go around I was biased against Danger Den and this time I am shilling for them. Guess if you take the mean I am right where I'd like to be.

I would issue a challenge to the "low flow is better" and "small tubing is better" crowd though one and all. I will be happy to do a point/counterpoint article that is hosted on both sites where you and yours can expound the virtues of using small tubing and how it improves cooling performance and I will explain my position and rebut where needed. It must, of course, remain civil and focus on FACTS and that I will do my best to explain the theory and correct any misconceptions/inaccuracies that may be presented.

Let me know. My first installment would be called "Cool, Quiet, Compact: Choose any two"

Hell maybe I should write it anyway...

logic is fun, I see where this is heading
nice pH

EDIT: and will arrive

Well since I spent some time in a drunken state typing that post on their forum, I happen to have a copy of that text here still... (on a web browser that was open from last night) So here it is ;)

By: Big Player (aka Joe) on the Wiz designs forums in response to stupid people.

BTW Joe which local tavern is planned for take over?

Well I think brew pubs are going to be the first and mostly in the Madison WI area, then we will expand our domination to the rest of the state. focusing on small hole in the wall taverns, if you have any recomendations please let me know! ;)

I kinda like Bennets MCC as a start. On a few rainy days me and the crew have at times pretty much taken it over for varried periods of time ourselves.

I dont think I have ever been in a brew pub in my life, even tho there are very few bars/taverns in the madison area I havent been in atleast once in the last 35 or so years.

Damn, sounds like I missed out on the fun. A forum brawl that I wasn't directly responsible for. Bah, need to stop fishing and stop spending time with the kid to keep up on all this. :D

Joe:
Didn't we hatch a plan for hardware site domination over many pitchers at the Fish Hatch Dane? We need to follow up on that because the world NEEDS heroes now more than ever :)

Dont worry jay i did a pretty good job of filling in for you. ;)

Sorry to Knipex for being a idiot but it needed to be said right? I think Pug may be a little pissed off with me. What with this and the Custom PC er... disagreements :(

Slater

No problem. I happen to know that Pug does not hold grudges (we weren't allways friends.