I should let you read his comments about the recent Bears/Packers game. Was nothing gentle there.:eek:

:D

ahh soo,

and here I was thinking his patience was boundless, kindness without limit,
with understanding and compassion for even the most challenged

but I guess not for $1,000,000 athletes
(ok by me)

Ah, more potential sources for confusion. "Storage" related properties are tied to mass, ala specific heat. "Transfer" related properties are tied to geometry, ala conductivity.

Density has no inherent role in determining specific heat. In pure forms, aluminum's specific heat is actually higher than copper's. As you have already noted, however, equal size blocks of each show that aluminum cools more quickly. If you could somehow compress aluminum to match copper's density (without changing any other property :rolleyes: ), then an aluminum block would hold more thermal energy than a copper one.

Lead sucks for heat transfer, as do most other metals in comparison to silver, copper, gold, and aluminum.

If you really want to get into the "why" of all this, you'll need someone with skills much different than my own. This gets into the realm of crystalline structure, atomic considerations and a whole heckuva lot of other stuff that I hardly know the basics of.

What? Sarcasm from Bill? LOL.

And what $1,000,000 athlets? I had assumed the Bears players all missed the flight and the unpaid Illini players had suited up in their places.

lol

I remembered it as high school kids, but I'm old, you could be right. LOL Just a shot of humor, I couldn't resist the opening. Don't get many with Dave. :D I'll go back to silent mode now.

It's strange that they're all non~ferrous, with a direct comparison of quality to 'disolvability'. ALu corodes quickest, then Cu, I don't know about Gold or Silver but don't they tend to tarnish rather than corrode(?). perhaps some kind of Cu~gold/silver Alloy is what we need?...

PS, Cu corodes in the long run does'nt it?. I seem to remeber seeing bits dug up (or from the sea) that were once armour, ect...

Gold is the beauty of metals: it doesn't corrode or tarnish.

Silver tarnishes very quickly.

Tarnishing and corrosion are basically the same, as long as you consider "corrosion" as oxidization, which is a more accurate term.

What I meant was Cu tarnish seems to be protective to the metal underneath, but the ALu I've seen seems to 'weaken' (like when it snaps first or second bend, rather than retaining it's 'elastisity')regardless...
I see them as different(even though I know you're right) both are oxidisation, but tarnish is surface, corosion is integral...

this somewhat deep tech talk has forced me to read along out of curiosity. whew, at first i thought this thread was brainstorming the next revolution in thermal systems for NASA. PC cooling is supposed to be fun too, right? i think some ppl are going about their discussions ineffectively.

if we want to accomplish something as PC cooling engineers, we need to agree to iterate over system requirements. focusing on & modifying requirements results in thoughts like: "let's drop the -40C requirement, we could make 100 -37C systems for $1 instead of 1 -40C system for $100". arriving at system requirements is done in the engineering world by discovering the one design parameter that dominates how well it performs. finding design drivers leads to efficient thoughts like: "forget about pressure for now, it's actually pressure^2/power^3 that gives the most leverage for reducing temps. let's focus on maximizing that first").

obviously more extensive sharing & integration of our knowledge resources would be an improvement, as opposed to having "gurus" argue back & forth with one another over potentially irrelevant issues using random data from unrelated & loosesly controlled experiments. don't get me wrong, i can tell many of you do appreciate the value of controlling & repeating your experiments, but it's hard to use data from a shot in the dark experiment that has little correlation to the engineer's design choice.

arguments in this thread are leading nowhere but to rehash what many of us already know & beat the ignorant over their heads with a hammer?