Well it's German and supposedly pretty good, so I think that's a good choice.
I agree with the fact about the UK being more towards the US - most guys I've spoken to seem to want a good balance between silence and power. P.S. Cathar, so are you shipping Cascades again? Which ones? |
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I'm still supporting the Cascade though which maybe what's confusing you, but my life has been chock-a-block full with my real-job and family and I've had no time to get stuff off (upgrade Cascade tops etc) to people for the last two weeks, with my apologies to all concerned (about 5 people). |
Thanks for the link Cathar.
I'd like to see pH have the chance to test this also, I find it unlikly that it can best the Cascade by 3C. It also looks like it would have a very high pressure drop. What sort of flow rate did the German testers use? I recall the one sites testing a while back of your blocks, not a very good one. |
Yeah, just read your site again and realised I must have mis-interpretted what ya said (it's late! :)). No problem mate - you're doing a great job and I'm sure everyone understands.
My mum's boyfriend has a CNC machine and he's pretty interested in my water cooling (he built my enclosure which I should be installing within the next two weeks - I'll take pics and post them at my thread ASAP http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...?t=8639&page=7). Hopefully sometime in the near future we'll get to play around with some designs as he's a very clever and skilled guy. Doubt we'll get anything to your level though. Still, will be fun trying :) |
How many Cascades have you sold?
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I've also noticed, in all this international brouhaha we are having, that no one has mentioned the Japanese. Normally performance electronics and weird mod/tweaks on them are pretty common in Japan. Yet the country seems completely absent regarding representation in the water-cooling scene. Ever wonder why? I do, I think its strange. |
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Heck, I'll even pay for all of it if someone in Europe will order it and send it to Phaestus. The CF-2 block can't be ordered from outside of the Euro nations.... Any takers? |
I have an Innovatek XX I could send to pHaestus
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USA was by far the biggest consumer, probably about 40% of the total. UK about 25%. Australia about 15%. France about 10%. The rest in very small percentages (typically just single blocks) to Belgium, Denmark, Japan, Brazil, Canada, Malaysia, Finland, Sweden, Germany, Greece, Italy, New Zealand, Hong Kong, Taiwan and Phillipines. |
So for the number of individuals in the US & UK the UK water coolers were buying your blocks by a much larger %. Another interesting point which also greatly supports your earlier post on UK being closer to the US than Germany when it comes to water cooling set ups.
I'm looking forward to seeing the new Storm design you've been working on. |
Cathar - I can do some buying for ya if ya like (I'm in Wales, UK). Just let me know what you want, where to send it etc.
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Let me guess....you guys are going to want lower than 0.5 GPM flow rates for these tests :)
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the reason why "Someone could probably make a very healthy profit buying these things in the US and shipping them over Europe" is that they'd be liable to legal action from Dell :( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/11...ing_what_does/ :mad: |
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Then go well up from there as usual............ |
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How did such a set up come about? |
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Anyway............ You know i think this is always going to be a grey area regardless of how strong yours or anybody's particular currency is but (and i mean this without bias what so ever) there is always going to be the person who wants fantastic results for minimal outlay and on the other side of the fence there will be people who see products for what they are and will pay the going rate for them whether it be cars, houses, Sunday dinners even, we seem to have Sunday Dinner wars around our local hostelry's at present ................feed a family of 4 for £9.99 lol Extreme case sinario.......wasn't there a Picasso painting just sold for like 98 million $'s to an un-named buyer................madness to you or i but this is the point where money becomes irrelevant (or does somebody know something i don't???) Not that money is irrelevant to me but i will say I am one lucky enough to own one of the SS Cascades and shamelessly in all honesty i haven't got a clue to this day how much it cost (not as much as Picasso i hope lol) but what I can say is, its the best block bar none that i have ever owned............so for that to me its was worth every penny (and i know i'm not alone when i say that and also why it may of supprised you) At the end of the day nobody likes to be ripped off and who can blame anyone wanting maximum bang for buck irrespective of what it is they are shelling out their £££'s for but its always nice to see which car is faster (Cather analogy) and then at least one can make an adult decision bases on relatively unweighted facts............hopefully! |
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then each "competitor" can select parts/a kit that fit within (whilst allowing sufficient hardware to give a reasonably functional rig...) i would suggest some reasonably desirable mid-tower (lian maybe?) on the basis that any kit that requires a pc70 or similar huge case is doomed to marginal appeal..... |
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they are even handed though and let EU businesses charge rip-off prices here too :cry: |
Let's see I have a Chieftec midtower and an AMS GTower case that I could use. The Chieftec has been cut up a little on the front (to fit a heatercore lol) but I could return it to similar to stock. This case has 4x80mm fan holes (2 front and 2 back). The AMD GTower has 1 120mm exhaust and 1 120mm blowhole on top. It also has an 80mm intake in front (very restrictive though). Other than that I'd have to buy a case.
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The G-Tower sounds kinda good.
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With two 120's it would probably be pretty fair I think. Most people are using a heatercore/BIX that takes a 120mm fan. With the RAD fan blowing in, and an identical fan blowing out, it would keep the case pretty aired out. And its simple. |
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BTW, it's only 1/8" ID? Craaaaazzzzyyyy! :evilaugh: |
Humm. One thing I never understood about this "quiet" vrs. "performance" argument is that the higher the block performs the quieter you should be able to get the system. :shrug: If the block can remove MORE heat (higher performance) then you will need a smaller/slower/quieter fan on the rad.... This holds true if the high performance block works better at lower flow rates than a lesser block.
I don't know. Hell right now I got an XP1700+ running on a $5 HS with a 60mm to 80mm fan adapter with a 25CFM 80mm fan and it runs comfortly at 45-50C. That is also my gaming system. I can hear the hard drive over the HSF and I got a fairly quiet hard drive. Sure I probably couldn't do that with a faster processor but I don't need a faster processor. Plays all the games I play just fine UT2003/4 included. I guess it is up to the user and their requirements. :cool: |
On the noise thing, one thing I've noticed with the impingement blocks and powerful pumps is that the blocks do develop a real "hissing" noise. With the "Storm" (which is also doing other things to stir the water up) and using really what are quite dramatically high pressure drops (11mH2O) the block is certainly about as noisy as a case-fan. Dropping back to a more realistic 3mH2O "high-end" level and the noise is audible with your ear near it, but not at any distance.
Perhaps something to consider in the quest for more pumping power. I tell ya - trying to squeeze even the quite squishable Tygon tubing at 11mH2O (~16PSI) is quite an effort. The tubing certainly does expand quite visibly when the pumps are engaged, which I guess can be something of an argument for 3/8" ID tubing with restrictive blocks. When the pressure's on, the tubing expands and essentially has a larger ID and a consequentially lower pressure drop as a result. Just random thoughts... |
I think in the near future we will see the move to 3/4" tubing. This is what I am using and have been pleased with the results so far. If anything the fittings can sometimes be easier to find. As for 3/8ths, fo-get-about it. Even 1/2" is pushing twoard the low performance end. These days you gotta go big. Wait around to long and Dell will release a watercooled PC with 1/2" tubing. :cool:
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