I'm not sure what's going on there. It's not usually like Agg to intervene.

I spoke to Agg. He had already spoken to JSE and told him that JSE had to expect questions and if he was going to make claims such as he did, and expect antipathy if he gave no answers.

Apparantly Agg and JSE reached an agreement where JSE was going to stop making claims if he wasn't prepared to back them up (that is my understanding - I could have that wrong), and as such Agg considered the episode over and closed the original thread, and this is why he closed the subsequent thread just recently. As far as Agg was concerned the matter had already been beaten, JSE wasn't going to relent and give the answers to even basic questions, and so the whole lot was shut-down and left to die.

I guess thats why hes been posting infrequently now... cant complain

Well the thread had a lot more to do with just JSE as that is why I didn't name names. Not completely happy with the out come but can live with it.

Also IMO if someone makes these claims on an open forum then it should be handled on the open forum. Calling bull shit dosn't happen enough these days.

welcome back Bill :)

did you design those radis?

I thought those radis are also from China, no?

FYI a company from China contacted me about those radis couple times within the last few months...

Hi Bruce
yup
and yup
and yup again, the Chinese will retain the right to sell
(the blue paint is cooler)

Les
will delve into next week

oh OK... so you designed those radiators, applied for a patent, and the Chinese are going to pay you royalty? aren't you guys supposed have some type of exclusive rights on them? :shrug:

BTW I didn't understand how exactly the patent-pending self-purging brass plenum chamber thing works?

thats all Bruce, want more talk with Gabe

Sorry to be late to the party, but since I am going to be re-orging the forums with teh new site update coming up - Do you guys still see a need for a Radiator design sub forum?

IMO a General Radiator Discussion forum would cover it. I don't see to much discussion for rad design alone to warrant it.

lol, you already know that's a coolwave. Don't think I've seen a 80mm version yet.

"exclusive rights" in China "works" differently, their concept of "rights" are ...well different.

I think this will do.

Ummm, errrr... I guess I should have taken the time to actually look at the PA160....
http://www.thermochill.com/pa160.php The connector fittings are perfect... Now if they could make a 80mm version to. :)

Interesting. The last comment was about trolling - possible someone reported the thread as a troll and the admins closed it without really looking at it? Just trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Anyway, why not start parallel threads both there and here - and be sure to put a link to the "other" thread in the very first post in each of the two parallel threads.

Then, of course, radiator testing figures to the side, there's the whole issue of whether OCAU actually is biased in this way (which I don't have enough experience with OCAU to comment on) - IMHO it wouldn't be unreasonable to do the same thing (parallel threads) discussing this as well. If they don't close it, maybe there's no intentional bias...(?)

I've no problem with biased sources of information - so long as it's clear what their bias is.
[us-centric] IMHO that's what the "freedom of the press" was all about when the bill of rights were passed - not "neutral, unbiased" voices, but lots of competing, highly biased ones. Yes you have to be a critical thinker to figure out what might be "real" but that's the way the world is - you're never going to have neutral sources - just ones that claim to be (Like Fox networks - we all know how neutral they are)[/us-centric]

lets be candid, the thread was a troll
Cathar described Agg's reasoning and from the OCAU perspective its no biggie
besides, the only 3 designers of rads (in the Western world) are posting in this thread, what more do you want ?

I don't particularly see OCAU as biased in any one way or another, just when it comes to watercooling there are a majority of n00bs and uneducated folks who don't know what to beleive, with minimal experienced representation (sort of - discounting the obvious native highlights)... and sometimes mods just close stuff to prevent future eventualities... I wouldn't put too much into events with regards OCAU and the reasoning behind closing the thread as being biased or unbiased... it's a good place, I like it over there... and have never come across any form of bias when it comes to topics such as this in the past. Think it's more an insightful mod has spotted an attempt to stir something up and they'd rather opt for the easy life and resolve it behind the scenes than let what could potentially be a fight start in their forums.

You're too used to the freedom / relaxed moderation of procooling forums in comparison is all... as the mods here know that folks can have an argument without necessarily having a fight... s'not the same elsewhere ;)

THeres mods here? Holy shit when did that happen? hehe ;)

ProCooling - the home of Active Cooling & Passive Moderation....

Yeh, we choose to think that our asshole like attitudes will drive away trolls on its own ;) keeps moderation needs to a low level. Really the ProForums are quite self cleaning ;)

I mean check this thread out as an example:

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=12111

who needed to moderate that? ;)

Yes it was a troll thread, a troll thread to cut the shit (which is piling higher and higher everyday). :) If the Australian site doesn't want to expose a lier in their own community then that's their loss IMO. That's why I let it go. If this guy was from the states then I would have just begun.

Yes 3 designers all in this thread. That's why I didn't post the same thread here.

Oh hell, how did I miss that? To late to jump in now I guess. :cry: :D

OCAU exposes liars all the time, but what are we going to do?

I moderate the EC forums but deliberately take a very stepped-back approach to such issues because more than once I've had such people level allegations at me for being unfairly biased for even doing something as simple as asking probing questions like any concerned forum member would do. This is to be expected though, 'cos, you know, even though I have only ever exercised my moderative powers to move threads about that get posted in the wrong forum or to delete out and out abusive posts, I MUST be very heavily biased to do something as heavy handed as to ask questions.

The rest of the overall OCAU forum moderation practises fall under a delicate balance of stepping around arse-hole rip-off merchants who are only too happy to sue OCAU for defamation on the basis that it condones slanderous statements against said arse-hole merchants by not forcibly removing such statements.

Now this is not to say that anyone in the EC forum has acted in that way, but it has happened in the past with various vendors who didn't like the stories of negative feedback being posted on OCAU after they ripped someone off. Even though OCAU has won every single legal battle on the basis that it is not responsible for the posts of its members and members have the right of free speech, Agg @ OCAU has been forced into a position where it is just easier to moderate potential vendor verdict posts/topics than to be repeatedly dragged through the courts wasting his time and money in legal expenses.

This is the main reason why OCAU in general removes/moderates anything which can be deemed as a vendor verdict. It is purely because it seems that if there are enough arse-holes who attack the right of free speech of pointing out what arseholes they're being, then rather than attack the speaker it's easier and more convenient to attack the forum thereby modifying the forum's policies to prevent such free speech.

So that's why OCAU is the way it is. It's a situation of legal convenience.

People sue for defamation? I mean really sue? or just talk about it. because it seems 99% of the internet is all talk, and no game.