strange indeed
Laing has a test loop in San Diego which I should go visit, will try next week
the data posted, given to us by Laing, was also confirmed in SD; so whatever the procedure is - both facilities are using the same setups

the techs may think they have a 'better' method, but they failed to convince Oliver it seems

2 DDC in parallel = 1 D4 (at half the cost)
???
and believe it or not, we are already getting inquires about running 2 in parallel
BTSOOM

More explanation from Laing :

To understand the terms above, I gave him a quick comparison with my own measurement called V1 (the same as Laing in their first webpage) and their new graph, called Laing V2 to distinguish them (not a true V2 !) :

http://www.cooling-masters.com/temp/ddc2.png

If the V2 curve was *true*, I should to find a flowrate higher of ~40 L/h in my low restrictive system (using PD on WB) but it's not the case :shrug: . Anyway, the little difference is not really important because pump is really silent and powerful, some L/h more or less is irrevelant.

interesting, and the initial rational re 270L seems even more peculiar - the difference at that point is considerable between the 2 curves
??

Confusing to you guys? Imagine on this end :cry: Still education opportunity to try to think it through - Pardon the 'stream of consciousness' below

1> Sounds crazy to measure one pump using two - Thinking - No, makes some sense as pump mfg has to provide method to client engineers to replicate data transparent to individual bench setup (fittings, tube friction, etc.)
2> Implies an absence of a valid engineering standard for replicatable flow measurement? What is the equivalent to IEEE for pump engineers? Is there not an international standard for this type of measurement?

Hi,

Do you know any store in the US who sold the mcp350 alone, i only find it include in H2O pack.

i tried on swiftech store, but i ask for avaibility before. and here the answer from them :

And they got mine shipped out ASAP. Ordered Tuesday and got it today. I talked first with Swiftech, but Michelle said they wouldn't ship until next week. I think Swiftech needs a BillA for sales.

Thanks for the info,

Anyway i would prefere the swiftech for the attach system (i am a lazy ass :D ) so i don't have to do it myself.
i keep lokking, and let you know.

I'm still confused as to which is the better pump, the DDC or the D4? Acoustic properties and size aside, I can't tell which pump yields the better results. According to previously posted flow rate graphs (several pages back), with a relatively unrestrictive block like the MCW6000, the D4 is significantly better. According to the graphs posted in this ^^ pump comparison, the DDC has less head the than D4? Is that graph at all accurate? It would seem to me that the DDC would excel in a highly restrictive loop compared to the D4 according to the P/Q curve on the Swiftech website.

Predicted temp difference between CPU and ambient, the lower the better:

http://img16.exs.cx/img16/7159/n1vnexxosxpmcw6000pu.gif

Yes, it would seem the DDC can outperform the D4 in a restrictive circuit as it dumps less heat, which makes up for the slightly lower flow rate.
In a less restrictive loop, the amount of heat 'saved' may not be enough to overcome the gains due to increased flow with the D4.

ATM, I think the decision is more likely to be influenced by your noise tolerance levels ;)

DDC temperature wise.
But would like to see cathar coment at what pump to choose, "overclocking wise".

Hi how does the Laing DDC/MCP350 compare performance wise to dual csystems in series, thing is iv ordered a pair of these and after reading a few horror stories am a little worried, a 1250 is easy to get hold of and was happy with the last 1250 i owned, the MCP350 would have to be an import due to me being in the UK

im stuck on what pump to choose, the loop will include

swiffy 6002
silverprop HL
120.3
fillport from a tline

What do you guys reccomend, am i better off importing the MCP350 or going for a good ole reliable 1250 like i had before

You can buy it on alphacool website in germany, that will maybe save some bucks for you

iv been offered a nearly new aquaextreme 50 (mc 600) for £60inc, basically same price as 2 cp750's and not sure what i should do

the mcp350 looks nice but unsure it will be enough for my rig

60 pounds? thats a bit steep isnt it?

I got mine s/h (used once, so yes, basically new too) for 75nzd, which is basically 25 pounds...

well for me to import a new aqwa extreme will cost $75 plus the shipping which ethy seem tot show as $70 also but im sure it can be brought down to $40 or so

so is actually fairly cheap, shame its the only place to get onme the german place is annoying me so no idea on price from them

aquacool appear to sell the laing pump (i.e the 350) at 74,90Euro including VAT, (plus whatever the shipping is from germany...)

given the low $ i suspect you'd be better off getting a 350 from sidewinder at $79.95 (they ship USPS, so it'lll be pretty cheap - it's not a heavy pump..)

The CSP750 is not known for reliability. It may in fact turn out to be worse than a Danner pump due to the aluminum housing. I'd stick to Eheim since you can probably get one for a lot less. For that price you could get two Eheim 1046 or 1048's and run them in series. The Aquaextreme 50/MCP600 is a relabled PanWorld pump, and while quiet and fairly powerful, has been known to have reliability problems. I have yet to hear a complaint about an Eheim pump. Quieter and more reliable and probably cheaper, a couple small Eheim pumps seems to be the way to go if you're in the UK. That might be an alright price for the AquaExtreme in the UK, but it's 50% more than what we pay in the US. I'm sure if you check local pet stores you could pick up a couple small Eheim pumps for under 25 pounds each.

it doesnt matter now, i was guna get the mcp350 but have purchased the AQX 50z from a guy in the UK, 2 weeks old and 6hrs use

Should be slightly better than the 350 i hope tho im sure a tad noisier compared to my 1250 i had before

shame about the price, im not sure i can be bothered to have 2 larger eheims in the case with the extra tubing etc tho im sure the pc75 will have the room

If the pump is no good im told it has 2 years warranty anyway so should be fine at elast for 2 years

Sidewinder will ship internationally? In that case, the MCP350 would be the way to go.

erm, can you point me to any post or thread where an owner of the Aquaextreme 50 (rev 2) has said that? If so, please do. If not ... [Think of my comment as counter-FUD]

do you have any info that can compare the mc600 and mcp350 directly please? :)

yep
http://lib1.store.vip.sc5.yahoo.com/.../worldwide.htm

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/att...achmentid=3668

The AquaExtreme/MCP600 has a bit of an edge on the DDC, but the more stuff you have in your loop, the more this margin narrows (the DDC is a better pump for very restrictive systems than the MCP600), so I suppose if you had a 1/2" ID system and a basic CPU block/radiator setup, the MCP600 would be the way to go, but if you have more in your loop, ie, chipset block, GPU block, multiple rads (and additional tubing that comes with it), the DDC gets the edge. It's a good pump for running everything in series instead of having to use Y fittings to run blocks in parallel. Also consider that it's supposedly quieter (I haven't heard the DDC in person yet, though previously in the thread it's been called 'inaudible') and considerably smaller. The DDC is designed for a 3/8" ID system, which is more restrictive by nature, but the benefit of that is higher fluid velocity, which is important for newer block designs like the MCW6000. It depends upon your system really. For me, a quieter, smaller pump with MASSIVE head is the way to go, but I have a Storm block, MCW50 and transmission cooler that's going to get replaced by a 16"x16" copper radiator. Check out Overclocker's waterblock list for the headloss of your block(s) and you can get a rough idea of which pump would be better, though don't expect either to work miracles for your temps. What temperature difference there is between the two pumps will be marginal.

I was wondering if anyone knew if the pro version of the DDC pump was going to be sold in the US or if I need to get it out of Germany?

http://www.alphacool.de/upload/news/...umpeundpro.jpg

Instantly available are the new Laing DDC pumps. They convince due to its high performance, i.e. to its unbelievable lifting heigt of 3,7 meters. Its compact design enables the mounting into almost every place of your case. Further informations and obtainable at Laing pumps. New: The Pro-Version with Plexicover!

10.12.2004

the DDC is by Laing
plexi by alphacool, what does it do ?

Looks purdy...............I'm into modding also................ :D

head off to alphacool, its their product
have a link to a description ?

What it would do for me is worry me sick that it might leak.

but the bling Scott, the blingnedness of it
makes it bigger too (bling + bigger = more bling !)