I believe so...
As mentioned, I have to wait on the new kit being ready (within a week now, I gather) and am just waiting on a return mail for details of where to send it to. :)

[Edit] Gafa - I wouldn't worry about your temps. Sounds like a nice setup.
:cool:

pHaestus - can you mail me at pug @ wizd.co.uk if you read this?
I'm still waiting on a response from your p/cooling addy. :shrug:

oh crap sorry

Np. I'll get back on it. :)

hmmm. I have a single $40 rad that we could use - well, it cost me $40 for the heatercores used to make it:

http://www.cox-internet.com/weapon/i...nstercore1.jpg

it's dual '77 bonneville cores brazed together after removing the top tank of one, the bottom tank of the other and lining up the flow channels. the pic is a little out-dated - I added twin outlets on the bottom so it is now dual channel single pass. It takes four 120s per side with the current shrouds. :)

Lo gents

Just wonder how things are comming along and what kits may end up in the final shootout so far it sounds like the Swiftech H20-22600 series, Pug's setup, an Innovatek system and...

Water cooling sure seems to have come a long way in the last few years, claims of yearly maintenance instead of monthly (weekly for my homemade bits :rolleyes:) as I remember it.

You probably already know this chart, but for the ones who do not:

http://www.watercoolplanet.de/index.php?open=4&show=1

It is not really fair for the American style waterblocks though.

I would really like to se an approved and fair test between Europe- and American style water blocks/systems. Get to it… soon ;)

The kit's been ready since last week... :shrug:

pHaestus, are you getting my mail?

Your interpretation of Canadian customs and import fees is not correct Pug. I regularly get charged 7% of the test part value plus a brokerage fee plus a customs fee for charging that. If you send me a kit valued at $200 EU or whatever then I will easily pay $50CAD in tax for the priviledge of testing it. I told customs to return a package from Thermalright not long ago for this reason. Gear comes from Swiftech from time to time with a reviewer discount subtracted from its value and a final price of $1 or so and I've never had a problem with getting charged duty. I'd go with that method I think..

Socialism sucks!

The one dollar rule you cite unfortunately only works for "Commercial samples imported from the United States, Mexico, Chile or Costa Rica" (section 9990.00.00 - http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/general/p...4-2/ch99ne.pdf).

^^^ not just my interpretation.

So you did get my mail then...

Any other ideas?

[Edit] Wrt the rest of my mail to you - did you have any comment or is it easier to get a reply if I just post the relevant parts here?

ah I see. Well crap. Perhaps I DO have a solution though. You could send the kit to my inlaws in the US; they are supposedly coming to visit in 2-3 weeks and even if they back out of it they could send the kit as a gift from them at that point :)

About the kit's components: I am pretty sure BillA is just sending me another MCW6000-A waterblock; the other parts will be Swiftech MCP600 pump, 3/8" ID tubing, their fill and bleed kit, and 2 80mm fan radiators. That's the typical Swiftech configuration at this moment I guess. I would think that sending a typical german complete kit (all parts from same mfgr) would be the logical way to make things fair. I can do whatever case modding is required to install it in a case and test it so dont worry about the need for cutting and holes :)

It would be more interesting to see the dual 120 Swifty rad, maybe even the difference between 2 80s and the dual 120 as they package it.

Pug care to let out any details on what your kit consists of???

wrt what Swiftech is going to do:

yes, you 'need' (ahem) another MCW6000 and the revised MCP600 pump head
the Swiftech kits are distinguished by differences in the radiator selection;
one 80, two 80s, and some un-announced stuff, and the 676 for two 120s
you have the one or two 80s,
OR if you prefer I could send you one or two 120s (in 3 weeks), or a single 676 rad for two 120s (from the 'big' kit) ??
lemme know what your preference is (CPU temps 2.0° lower with the two 120mm fan rad as compared to two 80s)

but I would suggest just matching the rad's size, and then testing the installed kits using the same fans

as above, 2.0° diff between the 2 kits (70W, std conditions)

Thanks Bill!

BTW it's nice to see someone paying you for all the work(play) you've done over the last few years.

I wonder how long 70W will be a useful measure; even running at stock speeds many chips dissipate far more heat than that these days.

hmm - would they not come under 9993.00.00 ?(as long as you're going to send them back within 18 months - or indeed send them anywhere outside canada...)

my 70W is IxE, ~ 100W Radiate style; still pretty current
power level testing per se runs 50 to 175W, again this is the heat input to a well insulated die

anyone read this review?

http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=get...79&articID=201

Yeh ive seen that one before. The guys test bench is his bedroom floor! nuf said ;)

Pug are you sending over that Alpha Cool kit? Thats almost a highflow setup. Big pump!

nothing can be trusted outside the lab?

Well thats debatable but IMO threse only a handful of people in the world who i would attualy trust to test stuff like that. You do have to be very careful :dome:

when there is a heat simulator machine, the flow is not good enough
when there is enough flow, the test bench room is not good enough

whats wrong with his review in his room anyway?

A number of anomalies:

Well I just counted up to an 8C margin of variation right there...

Reviews that report absolute temperatures, with wildly swinging room temperatures that affect the temperature of the water, is like doing archery in a gusty storm. You have no idea of how close to the mark you'll be.

i guess we will have to wait few weeks til Ph gets the alphacool block

pug: Screw it and send it. Value it low please.. I'll use my monthly computer budget for this month on shipping fees and duty I guess (was heading in that direction anyway).

control, resolution, calibration, accuracy, and procedure

the testing was crap, but quite enough to write a review
and the review was indeed good enough for you (else you would not be asking)

not too sure just which of the mfgrs got 'done', but I'm glad Swiftech gear was not included

I would say that being included in such a review would be most serious mfgr's nightmare.

He's trying harder...but still needs some work
 

Sounds like he has taken some criticisms from here to heart. I love the way he places his temp probes in a ice bath (kinda like phaestus); but doesn't really describe what he did from that point on to actually calibrate the probes over any kind of statistical distribution. Its like if you put it in a ice bath, that alone does something. :)

Note also the TDX temps are a degree cooler...running 100Mhz faster with a higher V-core than the previous run. As a matter of fact, its the same temp as idle on the completely stock-clocked test. Calibration indeed.

I also find humor in his insistence on the word malleable being relevant here to the TDX. He even had a little hyperlink to a dictionary defintion of it. I guess from a technical point, he's right. Perhaps he doesn't understand the perception of the word in vernacular English though. Nice macro pics though; he must have a nice camera.