i cant wait to see the results

Any update as to whether this comparative test is going ahead?

Hi, I'm from Portugal. I have been reading this forum for some time now, and am really curious about the tests mentioned in this thread. Anyway i'm a little confused about something...I have an Athlon XP-M 2500+ @2526Mhz (210.5x12) @1.87v in a A7N8X rev 1.04 with 2x256Mb TwinMos Winbond CH-5 @ 2.7v 2-3-3-11, all rock stable...till last week i used air cooling (Coolermaster Aero7+), and while in winter it gave me decent temps, now the summer has arrived, and since here in Portugal the temps have been 30ºC(86ºF)and above for the last few weeks, my temps went WAY up to like 43/44ºC (109/111ºF)idle for cpu, load i was afraid to check :cry: ...so this situation made up my mind and i went and bought a WC kit composed of:
- Innovatek HPPS 12v pump
- 1A-Cooling 5Z280V1 Radiator
- 1A-Cooling HV2 WB for cpu
- Aquacomputer TwinPlex rev 1.2 for northbridge
the complete kit (except for the chipset wb) can be seen at this thread
The kit was really EASY to install...and it is all 10/8 piping(u can check a pic of mys sys here)...So what did this change in terms of temps? they went down 15ºC!!now im at 29/30ºC (84/86ºF)idle and 36/37 full (96/98ºF) (cpuburn, prime95 only gets to 33/34ºC (91/93ºF). My room temp is about 26/27ºC (79/80ºF) (although im not sure this temps are accurate, but it IS damn hot) during the day. Now, my question is...are these temps bad? All the US-systems get THAT better performance than this? and i dont have a high-end "german/european" system, its more on the "medium" range...sorry for such a long post :rolleyes:

Your temps are not comparative. Hard to say. Also depends on what you want. 1-2C (probably the difference between the best of the 2) is not much to me but it is HUGE to some people. I just saw a guy at ocforums buy a $1,300US phase change setup to go from 2800mhz to 3000mhz. I personally would have just bought a faster CPU for $1,000 less but you get my idea on what people want.

Try a little more pressure. The block starts sounding like a high pressure sprayer.

I believe so...
As mentioned, I have to wait on the new kit being ready (within a week now, I gather) and am just waiting on a return mail for details of where to send it to. :)

[Edit] Gafa - I wouldn't worry about your temps. Sounds like a nice setup.
:cool:

pHaestus - can you mail me at pug @ wizd.co.uk if you read this?
I'm still waiting on a response from your p/cooling addy. :shrug:

oh crap sorry

Np. I'll get back on it. :)

hmmm. I have a single $40 rad that we could use - well, it cost me $40 for the heatercores used to make it:

http://www.cox-internet.com/weapon/i...nstercore1.jpg

it's dual '77 bonneville cores brazed together after removing the top tank of one, the bottom tank of the other and lining up the flow channels. the pic is a little out-dated - I added twin outlets on the bottom so it is now dual channel single pass. It takes four 120s per side with the current shrouds. :)

Lo gents

Just wonder how things are comming along and what kits may end up in the final shootout so far it sounds like the Swiftech H20-22600 series, Pug's setup, an Innovatek system and...

Water cooling sure seems to have come a long way in the last few years, claims of yearly maintenance instead of monthly (weekly for my homemade bits :rolleyes:) as I remember it.

You probably already know this chart, but for the ones who do not:

http://www.watercoolplanet.de/index.php?open=4&show=1

It is not really fair for the American style waterblocks though.

I would really like to se an approved and fair test between Europe- and American style water blocks/systems. Get to it… soon ;)

The kit's been ready since last week... :shrug:

pHaestus, are you getting my mail?

Your interpretation of Canadian customs and import fees is not correct Pug. I regularly get charged 7% of the test part value plus a brokerage fee plus a customs fee for charging that. If you send me a kit valued at $200 EU or whatever then I will easily pay $50CAD in tax for the priviledge of testing it. I told customs to return a package from Thermalright not long ago for this reason. Gear comes from Swiftech from time to time with a reviewer discount subtracted from its value and a final price of $1 or so and I've never had a problem with getting charged duty. I'd go with that method I think..

Socialism sucks!

The one dollar rule you cite unfortunately only works for "Commercial samples imported from the United States, Mexico, Chile or Costa Rica" (section 9990.00.00 - http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/general/p...4-2/ch99ne.pdf).

^^^ not just my interpretation.

So you did get my mail then...

Any other ideas?

[Edit] Wrt the rest of my mail to you - did you have any comment or is it easier to get a reply if I just post the relevant parts here?

ah I see. Well crap. Perhaps I DO have a solution though. You could send the kit to my inlaws in the US; they are supposedly coming to visit in 2-3 weeks and even if they back out of it they could send the kit as a gift from them at that point :)

About the kit's components: I am pretty sure BillA is just sending me another MCW6000-A waterblock; the other parts will be Swiftech MCP600 pump, 3/8" ID tubing, their fill and bleed kit, and 2 80mm fan radiators. That's the typical Swiftech configuration at this moment I guess. I would think that sending a typical german complete kit (all parts from same mfgr) would be the logical way to make things fair. I can do whatever case modding is required to install it in a case and test it so dont worry about the need for cutting and holes :)

It would be more interesting to see the dual 120 Swifty rad, maybe even the difference between 2 80s and the dual 120 as they package it.

Pug care to let out any details on what your kit consists of???

wrt what Swiftech is going to do:

yes, you 'need' (ahem) another MCW6000 and the revised MCP600 pump head
the Swiftech kits are distinguished by differences in the radiator selection;
one 80, two 80s, and some un-announced stuff, and the 676 for two 120s
you have the one or two 80s,
OR if you prefer I could send you one or two 120s (in 3 weeks), or a single 676 rad for two 120s (from the 'big' kit) ??
lemme know what your preference is (CPU temps 2.0° lower with the two 120mm fan rad as compared to two 80s)

but I would suggest just matching the rad's size, and then testing the installed kits using the same fans

as above, 2.0° diff between the 2 kits (70W, std conditions)

Thanks Bill!

BTW it's nice to see someone paying you for all the work(play) you've done over the last few years.

I wonder how long 70W will be a useful measure; even running at stock speeds many chips dissipate far more heat than that these days.

hmm - would they not come under 9993.00.00 ?(as long as you're going to send them back within 18 months - or indeed send them anywhere outside canada...)

my 70W is IxE, ~ 100W Radiate style; still pretty current
power level testing per se runs 50 to 175W, again this is the heat input to a well insulated die

anyone read this review?

http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=get...79&articID=201

Yeh ive seen that one before. The guys test bench is his bedroom floor! nuf said ;)

Pug are you sending over that Alpha Cool kit? Thats almost a highflow setup. Big pump!