Bummer! This does suggest to me though as to why there are advantages to the 'pipe on plate' method of building. It doesn't look as nice, but it does have the two advantages of being simple and very resistant to leakage. From a purely functional standpoint it is probably adequate for everything but CPU's and maybe GPU's. None of the other commonly cooled items (HDD's, NB's, etc) put out enough heat to need heavy duty intense cooling. Given that while a PSU puts out a fairly high heat, it's heat comes from a bunch of small point sources rather than one central point, I think pipe on plate would work there as well. (I would probably solder a tube to the edge of any plates used to replace the aluminum sinks)

Sounds good, I'll be waiting for them.

Gooserider

Maybe i am blind, but i can't seem to find where you state what raid controller you are using?
Could you please enlighten me?

Thanks

Althornin,

I didn't... but I will now... :D

I have a GA-8PE800 Ultra motherboard (Gigabyte) and it has the "GigaRAID" controller... not as fast as a Promise controller... but more than adequate for me as it was built into the motherboard along with all the other goodies... :p

Stop chatting and post those pictures!!! :drool:

Phooey... :mad: the day got eaten up on chores and such... :eek:

I do have these two pictures of the power supply...

Before soldering the wires back in place... and how much I cut off the main feed to the motherboard...

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mmz_tl_01...s/Dscn0258.jpg

And after I soldered all the connections ... not too shabby... :p

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mmz_tl_01...s/Dscn0259.jpg

I'll try again tomorrow to get the other pictures up... still working on recovering files from the corrupted backup on my spare drive... mainly pictures that can't be replaced... :mad: :cry: :eek:

hope we can see some pics soon, also just seen in the pic above have you left the fan in or was it an early before pic?

Hope u can recover the data from your drive.

Buzz

buzzby,

The fan in the picture is only one of two that were in the power supply originally. I removed the second one only. I left this one to remove any heat from other devices not cooled by the water block system. It's actually a VERY quiet fan. (7 blades, curved design, under 2400 RPM) :D

As to the data recovery... I got about 80% of my personal pictures back. Probably less of a percentage of my MP3 collection (/me prepares to start ripping CDs again... yeesh :eek: )

More to follow this evening as I have corrected the leak with the drive cage and have everything closed up.

come on give us the pics I and i suspect WE want to see the finished result.

I have two new 120mm fans on order for the radiator... I'm suffering right now with three 80mm and four 60 mm fans in a really weird setup... I'll take a picture of that tonight.

I did recover 100% of my e-mail... :D

And, yes buzzby, I'll take a picture of the system running. Haven't messed with overclocking as of yet... but I did get a score of 4917 on 3DMark03 with default settings. :p

see what happens when you get people adicted to your work/pictures you have to keep fulfiling thier habbit on a regular basis, even if you dont have time to work on your system. Word of the wize next time keep a buffer zone of picutures :-).

To others who want pictures, what you guys are doing is VERY enoying if not to MMZ_TimeLord at least to other people. He said he will post pictures be patient.

MMZ--How hard is visio to learn?

a piece of cake, it is not a CAD program, rather a general purpose drawing/flowchart/schematic program

ozzy7750,

Yeah, it is a general purpose diagram/precision drawing program. It can be used for/in place of CAD to a certain extent... but it's limited.

I use it for that because I can visualize isometric drawings as 3D in my head. :p

As for the updates... I have some pictures of the system...

View slowly so as not to overdose! :D :eek:

Full system...

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mmz_tl_01...s/Dscn0260.jpg

Video Card solution ... from the "top 3/4" view...

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mmz_tl_01...s/Dscn0261.jpg

Hard Drive cage... wired up and humming quietly... (actually can't hear it with the side of the case on) :)

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mmz_tl_01...s/Dscn0262.jpg

Reservior and pump... you can tell it's working because the water is higher at the pump end...

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mmz_tl_01...s/Dscn0263.jpg

Last... the Radiator and all those fans... YUCK :mad: Can't wait for the two 120mm fans to come in. :rolleyes:

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mmz_tl_01...s/Dscn0264.jpg

I probably won't post much more at this point... unless I get a bug in my ear to try a new CPU block design.

That's gonna wrap it up for the most part... Thanks to everyone that helped with the various design stages and suggestions! :dome:

you dont use clamps? is that safe?

thats awesome man, got er runnin? whats yoru temps and stuff lookin like?

hoseclamps are over rated;)

Jon

Hoseclamps are necessary for tubing like Clearflex.

MMZ, system looks great. Very nice worklog

No hoseclamps necessary with 1/2" Vinyl tubing over 1/2" copper tubing... or over 1/2" Acrylic tubing. I had to taper the Acrylic tubing to make it easier.

To get the tubes over the copper... I stuck 3/4" of the Vinyl tubing in really hot water (boiling... and just poured less than 15 minutes before) in a bowl for about 1 minute. It really softens up the tubing so you can stretch it. This technique can also be used to mold it into a permenant curve.

When I try and get the Vinyl tubing back off these connections, more often than not, I have to literally PRY them off a bit at a time from either side. They do NOT just pull off. :D :dome: :rolleyes: :p

As to the temps...

According to MotherBoard Monitor 5.3.6.0 with a constant case temp of 25° C

Idle (only minimal background programs and services running): CPU & HDD 38° C

Heavy Load is a different issue...

If I load up the CPU alone... (CPUBurn for example) it never breaks 60° C

If I load up the GPU and CPU... (1280x1024 DX9 game with looping time demo) it has given me an alarm at 70° C

I suspect that's from the smaller and low speed fans. I have two 120mm fans that I was running prior, but they are VERY loud.

The upside to the 120mm fans (that are VERY loud) is that they kept the air coming out of the radiator cool... meaning the water temp was kept low.

Now, however, the air is constantly coming out VERY warm. I suspect it's near 45° C as that's about as high as the Hard Drives get during the heavy loading. I believe the water is the same temp as the Hard Drive cage, but I will have to put a "T" probe in the line to check.

Bottom line... I will post temps again AFTER I get the new fans to let you know for sure. :dome:

DISCLAIMER: I do NOT and will NOT approve of you using my tempretures against me. These are actual readings from MY hardware, not yours. If you build the same box, with the same components and the same water cooling system... THEN you can argue MY tempretures. :D (But only within a few degrees mind you :evilaugh: )

I think i'm being stupid but i'll ask anyway other wise it will bug me. In the first pic you have a T-connector on the PSu block. You get the feed from the rad to the psu then to the cpu block.

First wouldn't you want the feed from the rad to go to the cpu first, Second how does the water get pushed round the psu block if the water gets pashd straight through the T-connector.

Buzz


P.S. Sweet setup

Yeah, it is very likely that the fans on that arent producing enough air, do they have their own spot on the core or are they all in an open space? When you dont divide the fans you will typically be fighting against eachother.

You should get yourself a water temp sensor:)

Jon

buzzby,

Quite simply the "T" connector at the PSU was specifically placed that way so the water WOULD flow mostly straight though and to the CPU block. The remainder of the flow goes through the PSU, GPU+RAM and the HDD cage.

If my restriction was higher on the CPU, then the other loop would get more flow, as it is now I need to verify the GPU load temps.

I'm going to build a temp sensor project that can be read by MBM5. The software's site has a link to the project to add a sensor chip to your existing motherboard.

This sounds like the best integration to me as I wouldn't mind having an internal sensor chip I could place whereever I want, with up to FOUR remote temperature sensors. No, these are NOT thermocouples. :( Yes, they are accurate enough for me. :p ( data sheet states ±3° C, which isn't too bad for me. Lee Hollis's article states that his turned out to be only ±1° C)

JFetting,

That was my thought as they are all grouped together in a rectangle on top of the radiator (ugly cardboard spacer box). I was afraid they might be fighting each other, I just wasn't sure.

When I get the two new 120mm fans, I think I'll make the box for them with a wall separating them, so that they both pull through separate halves of the radiator. That should help... don't you think? :shrug:

Hey MMZ, you missed the boat :(

I designed and built a few of the max1668 circuits and sold them on ars technica, I guess I should have made more. If you want in on the 2nd production run, let me know :)

Details at: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/...631&f=77909585

(You'll have to scroll to see the finished product - don't be alarmed by my hand-made one at the top o the thread).

I was selling them for $39 shipped, which includes the power and signal cable and 4 probes.

starbuck3733t,

I will probably make my own, just to get the experience if nothing else. :D

But thanks for the offer! :dome:

Hey, no problem :)

I've got a blank board from my over-run for the circuit, but pH is gonna take it eventually I suspect.

Keep up the good work!

MMZ, one thing you coudl do is put a valve on the output of the psu block to ajust the amount of flow each part of the system gets.

Maybe you just have a bad mounting? remount the block?


Jon

JFetting,

Actually at this point I suspect the fans. It was running cooler before I changed to the smaller and quieter ones. I will let you know the difference when I get the new fans.

Sweet... I'll have to check back on your progress when I am not viewing at 640x480 16colours... really like the harddrive cooling though.

why are you taking two of those rads they are inefficent as they dont use flat pipes! they only have 6 or so pipes through the rad if it was a proper heatercore from a 1986 or later camry itd have 20 flat pipes if not more.
BUT your skill with a non cnc is fantastic you really deserve a medal ;) your an inspiration

Pureh20,

Okay... I'm really lost now... but thanks for the complement at the end. :dome:

here is a very bad pic i quickly sketched

nice shrowd
maxtor HD box?

any plans for spiffy shrowd to finnish it off once you get your 120mm fans?