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bigben2k 10-11-2004 03:54 PM

Bush or Kerry: slam the US!
 
Much noise has been made in a "Europe vs USA" frame of mind, so I thought I'd give our European friends a chance to see us (Americans) debate our own internal issues:

Bush or Kerry?


I've followed the televised debates, and I can't help being frustrated at all the over-simplifications that Bush presents: am I the only one here who can see that?

I'm still a Canadien resident, so I won't get to vote this time around, but I'll be ready in 4 years.


Cast your vote: it's your duty.

BillA 10-11-2004 04:12 PM

oh I so love them both,
so honest, principled, candid, steadfast
yes, todays giants in America
how fortunate is this wonderful country, under God, to have such as our leaders

ok Ben ?

bigben2k 10-11-2004 04:14 PM

LOL! I can see this is going to be fun...

bellevegasj 10-11-2004 04:21 PM

I'm voting for Kerry to reduce the loss of human life.

Bigmack 10-11-2004 04:25 PM

I want Ralph Nader!!!! I never did like corvairs!!

pHaestus 10-11-2004 04:28 PM

I already voted for Badnarik via absentee. My wife did too so that makes 2 LP votes in the crucial state of Delaware :)

killernoodle 10-11-2004 04:54 PM

BB2K, I think we all know who the rest of the world wants to be in the white house....

BillA 10-11-2004 05:19 PM

Chirac ? .

BillA 10-11-2004 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bellevegasj
I'm voting for Kerry to reduce the loss of human life.

you taking your own ?

bigben2k 10-11-2004 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by killernoodle
BB2K, I think we all know who the rest of the world wants to be in the white house....

Yeah, anyone but Bush!

bellevegasj 10-11-2004 05:34 PM

Quote:

you taking your own ?
heh, kids......

AngryAlpaca 10-11-2004 05:48 PM

If I could vote I'd vote Kerry to get Bush out, but I don't really like Kerry either...

Delirious 10-11-2004 05:53 PM

Theyre both pathetic, Bush seems to be running this country likes its his own personal business, and chainey(however u spell it) is his VP of sales. Kerry doesnt know what he wants period.

satanicoo 10-11-2004 07:14 PM

Where's Hitler when we need him?

psychofunk 10-11-2004 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delirious
Theyre both pathetic, Bush seems to be running this country likes its his own personal business, and chainey(however u spell it) is his VP of sales. Kerry doesnt know what he wants period.

Bullseye! On both points.

I am a democratic hardliner. I vote democratic no matter what!

Blackeagle 10-11-2004 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by unregistered
Chirac ? .


Laughed hard as hell when I read that Bill! !

Best laugh I've had in several days.....thanks.

Both disgust me. Makes 2 elections in a row without a sane choice. And even saying just 2 is being kind.

Joe 10-11-2004 08:59 PM

Cheney and his meat puppet Bush are a great comedy routine, but really not my brand of "leader".

LP was a choice I was going with, then I heard the psycho talk about how he wants to abolish the Fed, and a few other items like that whole "EPA" thing going away. I mean who needs Gov oversight for anything?! Companies can be trusted to police themselves! Yeh thats worked ****ing great in the past!

So I got the Republicans with a puppet candidate, Libertarians with a ****ing nut job, Green party with an all out no name looser, the Independent with that party pooper Nader, and the last but not least Kerry with his Herman Munster impressions.

Delirious 10-11-2004 11:22 PM

Yup its a sad day for America, what happened to all the good politicians anyway?

Kobuchi 10-12-2004 01:53 AM

Not sad; justice. Within a democracy you get what you deserve. :p

Without's the rub. The three wars hurt so many, and the implosion of American diplomacy hurt us all. Kerry promises amends and a fresh start. Here we go again.

If Powell led a coup I might just welcome it. At least dictators do not play war games to impress voters. Go Powell!

lolito_fr 10-12-2004 04:25 AM

You guys have my sympathy - last time we had to choose between Chirac and Le pen*. How's that for democracy?

*he classed the extermination of the jews as a historical "detail", if that helps situate things...

Jag 10-12-2004 05:15 AM

Maybe a good "terminator" will help?
By the way where's John Wayne?

cougem 10-12-2004 05:24 AM

America's problem is politics is far too money based. They don't use the funds of the party to get behind the best candidates as much as they let the richest guy in the state run them.

The UK, though it moans about its politicians as much if not more as everybody else, is far more democratic and a far better structured and fair system in my opinion. I mean fighting amongst parties is terrible for the party, but it's a sign things aren't as dictator driven inside the party as other places.

John Major is an excellent example.

slavik 10-12-2004 07:07 AM

people watching the Daily Show with Jon Stewart are "smarter" than people watching Bill O'Reilly ... mind you, the Daily Show is a news comedy show ... :P

Kerry will "fight a better war on terrorism" ... what war? congress hasn't declared war ...

that's why they need the Patriot Act ... because during a state of war, laws can generally disregarded ...

each wants my vote ... BUT:
1.) I live in NY, so Kerry is going to win ...
2.) I still don't know where they stand on issues I (emphasis on "I") am concerned about ...

outsorcing ... in NYC, the garbage people get paid as much as teachers and you only need a HS diploma (teachers need college :P) AND being a garbage man is safer ... and nobody is outsorcing their jobs to india or wherever ... :P

I just watched TV of some dude who thinks everyone is out to get us, he wrote a book (who can't write a book these days?) called "Cures they don't want you to know" ... he says that there is a cure for diabetes and cancer, but drug companies keep those away because it would kill their business ... my dad has type2 diabetes (the one where his body doesn't produce insulin at all) and I KNOW that there is no cure ... Insulin is made in the pancreas (under your stomach), people with type2 diabetes have the pancreas as "damaged" or effectivly "dead" ... so how the hell you're going to cure it?????

He also said that food companies put ingridients into DIET food that make u hungry (someone should hire this guy ... that company will be rich!!!) ... personally I think people should stop going to McDonalds every other day ...

If I could, I would run for president (wasn't born in the states) ... and I would stick it where it needs to be stuck (whatever "it" is :P)

one question for the europeans: could u give us your perspective on the upcomming election? "they don't let us out much" (from Independance Day)

NOTE: Did you know that OSCE will be watching the US elections? :P

NOTE to europeans: I hope you understand how the electoral system works ... that's why bush and kerry are campaigning is just 4-5 states ... the rest are already decided ...

slavik 10-12-2004 07:29 AM

that's why the DMCA was actually passed ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by cougem
America's problem is politics is far too money based. They don't use the funds of the party to get behind the best candidates as much as they let the richest guy in the state run them.

The UK, though it moans about its politicians as much if not more as everybody else, is far more democratic and a far better structured and fair system in my opinion. I mean fighting amongst parties is terrible for the party, but it's a sign things aren't as dictator driven inside the party as other places.

John Major is an excellent example.


Chew_Toy 10-12-2004 07:47 AM

Quote:

my dad has type2 diabetes (the one where his body doesn't produce insulin at all) and I KNOW that there is no cure ... Insulin is made in the pancreas (under your stomach), people with type2 diabetes have the pancreas as "damaged" or effectivly "dead" ... so how the hell you're going to cure it?????
You have that wrong.

Type 1: Most people with type 1 get it as children and cannot avoid getting it. Their bodies make little or no insulin so they have to take insulin shots.

Type 2: Most people who get type 2 diabetes are adults. They have insulin resistance, which means that their bodies don't use insulin properly. They need to watch what they eat and exercise in order to control their diabetes.

I have had type2 for close to 10 years now.

killernoodle 10-12-2004 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Delirious
Yup its a sad day for America, what happened to all the good politicians anyway?

They left with Clinton.

I wish he could run for prez again, I think he would be elected unanimously.

pHaestus 10-12-2004 08:25 AM

Not if zombie Reagan has anything to say about it :)

AngryAlpaca 10-12-2004 08:44 AM

Quote:

I just watched TV of some dude who thinks everyone is out to get us, he wrote a book (who can't write a book these days?) called "Cures they don't want you to know" ... he says that there is a cure for diabetes and cancer, but drug companies keep those away because it would kill their business ... my dad has type2 diabetes (the one where his body doesn't produce insulin at all) and I KNOW that there is no cure ... Insulin is made in the pancreas (under your stomach), people with type2 diabetes have the pancreas as "damaged" or effectivly "dead" ... so how the hell you're going to cure it?????
Implants is a possibility. Cancer... I don't know about that one.
Quote:

He also said that food companies put ingridients into DIET food that make u hungry
Nature of any sweetener. Both sugar and aspartame do it.

slavik 10-12-2004 09:22 AM

chew, sorry, but I always mix them up ...

my dad got diabetes as an adult and has to take insulin ... (is this something weird?)

slavik 10-12-2004 09:24 AM

he also said that there was a study where no antidepresant actually worked ... :-\

his book is a "TV only offer" of "29.95" ... so I think that he's full of "it"

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngryAlpaca
Implants is a possibility. Cancer... I don't know about that one.Nature of any sweetener. Both sugar and aspartame do it.



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