Triple turbulent spiral channels
 

what dya think of this block by Silverprop. going to be released next week! :)

http://www.silverprop.com/ocau/cyclone5xes.jpg

gotta say the thing is HUGE.
specs:

Innovative New Features:


3 different chambers**
3 different base thickness (A, B, C) for each chamber design**
3 different coloured anodized tops**
Clear top for case modders with LED support**
Support for Socket 462 & 478* processors
Integrated ½" hose fittings
Support for 1 - 4 TE Modules with lockdown**
Can be opened for servicing
Ability to upgrade or downgrade from a Cyclone3 to a Cyclone4 and 5 by changing chambers
Optional silver plated Cyclone5 chambers
Specifications:

Cyclone3
80mm x 76mm x 47.5mm
½" hose fittings
open turbulent chamber design with B base
MSRP: AUD$55

Cyclone4
80mm x 76mm x 47.5mm
½" hose fittings
single flow turbulent path chamber design with B base
MSRP: AUD$95

Cyclone5
80mm x 76mm x 47.5mm
½" hose hose fittings
triple flow turbulent path chamber design with B base
MSRP: AUD$125

more pics!
http://www.silverprop.com/ocau/cycloneoem.jpg
the shipping block is supposed to be nickel-plated..not like these colourful things..

http://www.silverprop.com/ocau/p4.jpg
size compared to a..p4 cooler?

/me likes :drool:

:p

any opinions on the design of the block/channels/etc..

Well, my biggest fear would be weight. That thing is huge! As for the design of the channels, it looks to be very similiar to the Maze3. :shrug:

whats the fear? it looks no bigger than a swiftech 462 :)

maze3 uses one main channel..this uses 3 smaller channels..hmm..:rolleyes:

Hey, I'm not really the person to be asking about the advantages/disadvantages of a particular WB design. Maybe the triple channel will provide for a bit more turbulence? :p

Get Fixittt in here and I'm sure he'll have some feedback for you.

well the questions were targeted at whoever's readin..not just you mate ;)

neeeeeeeeeeeeed a GOOD WB roundup to compare all these new blocks...

touche :D

I'm with Cyco-Dude though. <subliminal message to Joe>WB roundup... WB roundup... you know you want to</subliminal message to Joe> ;)

yeah, i first saw pics of it a month or so ago, it looks incredibly cool

I'd like to see pics of the cyclone 3 and 4 as well

yeah but FINALLY after months..its going to be released next week! :D

Thats nothing like the Maze3.

It looks like a nice design, but a top close up shot would be nice (the current one hides a little of the channel work).

The main thing I DO NOT like about it is the Copper thickness. Looks like 1/4 or maybe 3/8 from the pic. I would liike to see one in person though. Looks pretty good.

I dunno about that jaydee, 3/8 might be quite fine for such a large block. what does swiftech use?

3/8" would mean 1/4" deep channels though.;) I don't know if the channels expand into the acrylic top though. it kinds looks like the top also has the channels milled into it. That is a interesting idea if that is so. The Copper base and the acrylic top have the channels. I don't think I have seen that before. I seen one or the other but not both. I would like to see one of these and test one or at least see some results.

Where'd you find those pics ablaze? And do you think you could find some closeups of the block? It'd be nice to see the channels more closely so we could see if the acrylic top is actually milled like jaydee is talking about.

but then three channels that are 1/4 x 1/4 wouldn't be too small. actually that sounds fairly realistic.

the guy from silverprop is in the chat quite a bit, come in and ask him

its from OCAU forums..I'll post more pics as they come up :) I'm probably getting one of these babies..wish me luck ;)

the channels are too deep to be 1/4 by 1/4...and the top doesnt look like it has channels in it; jaydee take a closer look @ it.....the copper part has the channels. the acrylic piece only covers the sides and top.

Lurvely orstralian engineering :D
http://www.silverprop.com/ for more details, shipping date is from Tuesday.

The channel design looks restrictive at first, but there are multiple flow paths so I doubt the effect on flow rate will be very limiting.

Their site leaves me even more confused. They say there are 3 different base sizes yet I don't see what those sizes are? The one above has a monster thick acrylic top to it which I cannot figure out unless it has the channels in it aswell. otherwise it is just a waste of money putting that thick top on there as acrylic dosn't transfer heat. Il ike it, but I would like to see more of it!!!

It is very nicely machined with serious attention to detail. Looks to be about as large as is possible on Socket A (taking into account all the capacitors and such). Blue and red anodizing scare me; ingrained response to OCH products? The clear lexan barbs look HOT though.

Jaydee you bring up an interesting point about baseplate thickness: I wish manufacturers would start listing many such parameters on their site. I understand about "trade secrets" but information like channel thickness, baseplate thickness, overall height, internal volume, weight, and a few other items (force exerted by the springs at max compression?) are necessary to know. My thoughts on the design (caveat emptor):

In essence you have a spiral with parallel channels. That's a way (in theory) to get much more surface area without adding as much flow resistance (pressure drop) into the system. This is a good thing. However, equalizing flow isn't trivial. It looks like initially there are two channels, and this becomes 3 channels at the first turn (hidden behind the inlet fitting): that might be a good idea (assuming you can get the water through all three channels) because you should increase velocity (and tubulence) right over the inlet. I can't tell if the block does this again near the outlet or not.

Somebody buy one? :)

hopefully I'll get mine by the end of the week, if Silverprop is nice enough to me :) (you listening Jeremy!! ;)) I'll post some pics if I can! :)

JD, look closely at the block. The top is fairly thin across the channels. It then goes down over the sides of the block at the outside edges (like a cap on a bottle) ;)

Looks like it does this:
_______
|******|
|******|
********

where the * is copper and the | and _ are the top.


pH - I agree with almost all of what you said :) As far as the "trade secret" part of it, in a case like this, all somebody would have to do is get a block and they could obtain all the info you listed. For that matter, with a couple of pics it can be obtained by relative comparison with an object of known size in the pic.

In looking at the pics shown, it looks like the inside channel has a final turn to merge back with the outside two at the outlet. (hard to tell for sure from the angle of the pic)

:eek: :eek: You are correct as usual. Damn that is even more cool. Post pics whenever someone gets one.

That isn't always true (lots of the German blocks have rather nonstandard design that makes calculating these properties difficult). Determining baseplate thickness also gets tricky.

I'll grant you that by and large we can look at blocks and extract the inof we need. But why should I have to go to all that trouble? There is more to a block than a picture of its channels after all. Manufacturers should explain their blocks a little more.

I would guess that the main reason we don't see spec sheets is because a large percentage of the blocks produced aren't made my large manufacturers, but rather folks who are working out of their garage like jaydee or fixittt. If the little guys post specs, it's too easy for jerkoffs like OCH to rip off their design. The world of waterblock design is a dog-eat-dog world. :p

och rip off anyone at anytime they want to anyway

the base sizes are the same, one has 3 channels, one has 1 channel, one is open

PH - leaving aside the discussion on photographic analysis capabilities :: you missed (and I didn't explicity state) the main point of what I said - I can't see a good reason NOT to put the information out, since it can be ascertained fairly easily. Basically - I was reinforcing your comment that the information should be put out by the wb makers ;) (at least the items of weight, outside dimensions, base plate thickness, flow rate at a specified pressure, mounting method, and mounting pressures).

ah I see. You know now that I think of it the situation with radiators is even more dire: it is difficult to tell exactly how a radiator will perform from a picture. Some oil coolers are rather poor performers, but some do quite well. Some heatercores work substantially better than others also (edge soldered ones). A picture really isn't suitable; need internal volume, surface area, some standard testing. I have been talking to a German block maker (http://watercool.de/), and they are really pushing for a standard test procedure and methodology whereby performance curves could be generated that all makers would use and that were comparable between manufacturers (and between hardware sites). Sounds like an absolute nightmare to me (I doubt you could get US hardware sites to all agree on the weight of a waterblock much less its performance). Maybe we will see some spillover of this concept to the US though.