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PlawsWorth 10-17-2002 11:02 AM

Need help with a design
 
Finally my friend Paul who's father own's a company that works with CNC machines and metall stuff has got time over. So now he will make a socketA copper block for me as soon as I can provide a design with all possible dimensions of the block so he can program the machine. Is there anyone who has designed a socket a block, then please reply to me and show a image with all the dimensions.

bigben2k 10-17-2002 12:14 PM

He He

RADIUS block here

Still in design stage though, but PM me if you want measurements.

PlawsWorth 10-17-2002 12:45 PM

well
 
The orginal design seems a bit to hard to make :)

bigben2k 10-17-2002 01:13 PM

Then give the Pro/Snowflake a shot! Here's a tip: add some steps at the bottom of the channels: it'll increase turbulence in a critical area (the bottom of the baseplate) and improve performance, ever so slightly. It's also the kind of thing that could potentially give you a sweet spot, with the right flow rate.

utabintarbo 10-17-2002 03:32 PM

Re: Need help with a design
 
Quote:

Originally posted by PlawsWorth
Finally my friend Paul who's father own's a company that works with CNC machines and metall stuff has got time over. So now he will make a socketA copper block for me as soon as I can provide a design with all possible dimensions of the block so he can program the machine. Is there anyone who has designed a socket a block, then please reply to me and show a image with all the dimensions.
If you have an idea you can describe or make a drawn representation of, I can probably supply the CAD/CAM info you need.

Bob

PlawsWorth 10-17-2002 03:34 PM

well
 
I can make an .jpg image in photoshop and post it here.

utabintarbo 10-17-2002 09:10 PM

Re: well
 
Quote:

Originally posted by PlawsWorth
I can make an .jpg image in photoshop and post it here.
That would be a start!

Bob

Fixittt 10-18-2002 09:01 AM

wow someone has already made a socket a block?

COOL!


SMART ASS I am indeed!

utabintarbo 10-18-2002 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fixittt
wow someone has already made a socket a block?

COOL!


SMART ASS I am indeed!

Indeed!:evilaugh:

Fixittt 10-18-2002 12:05 PM

why thank ya!!!!!!


I try!

My momma always said, do 1 thing, and do it well!


What programs U use for Cad work anyways?

PlawsWorth 10-18-2002 12:06 PM

a image
 
Here is one idea of how the block could look. If you could make an cam version, that would be very kind of you. And yes, it's a rough skiss, made it in photoshop in like 1min, so it looks like shit :)

http://w1.406.telia.com/~u40607021/s...-block1-v1.jpg

Fixittt 10-18-2002 02:02 PM

Hey that looks like the design I put into a z4 base a while back, and soon after I showed it...... guess who was selling them just like that???????????

utabintarbo 10-18-2002 02:39 PM

Re: a image
 
Quote:

Originally posted by PlawsWorth
Here is one idea of how the block could look. If you could make an cam version, that would be very kind of you. And yes, it's a rough skiss, made it in photoshop in like 1min, so it looks like shit :)

http://w1.406.telia.com/~u40607021/s...-block1-v1.jpg

What size inlet/outlet/channels do you want?

Post this info here (so everybody can agree/disagree :D ) and pm me with contact info - I'll probably get something out this weekend (or sooner)!

Bob

btw: I use Solidworks/WorkNC mainly these days, though I have access to others both old and new :) !

#Rotor 10-18-2002 10:20 PM

and there, just as you thought you have seen it all....


The Opteron Block


:D

PlawsWorth 10-19-2002 05:32 AM

Re: Re: a image
 
Quote:

Originally posted by utabintarbo
What size inlet/outlet/channels do you want?

Post this info here (so everybody can agree/disagree :D ) and pm me with contact info - I'll probably get something out this weekend (or sooner)!

Bob

btw: I use Solidworks/WorkNC mainly these days, though I have access to others both old and new :) !

Well I found this design of a block. The only problem is that the cnc machine can't make the edges the way the design is made. So the edges have to be round instead. http://w1.406.telia.com/~u40607021/main.jpg

1 Inch = 25,4mm (76mm/25,4mm=2,9921inch)

So 12mm = 0,47244

84mm = 3,30708

55mm = 2,1653

76mm = 2,9921

2,5mm = 0,09842

5mm = 0,196850

4,5mm = 0,177165

4mm = 0,1574803

46mm = 1,81102

15mm = 0,590551

PlawsWorth 10-19-2002 05:44 AM

Btw, I'm planning to make the whole block into one rectangle shaped block since there is no need for making the advanced two step block like the one on the image. That would just take a lot of time and be of no use. Better to build a solid one.

PlawsWorth 10-19-2002 05:55 AM

also
 
I'm planning to use a plexi part on top so I can see the water flow. So the end product will look something like the maze3

utabintarbo 10-19-2002 08:24 AM

Re: Re: Re: a image
 
Quote:

Originally posted by PlawsWorth
Well I found this design of a block. The only problem is that the cnc machine can't make the edges the way the design is made. So the edges have to be round instead.


OK, I'll probably have something for you tonight or tomorrow.

btw, round corners are better anyway.

Bob

#Rotor 10-19-2002 10:08 AM

why is round corners better.... I say it's not....

not for cooling anyhow.... sharp corners induce more turbulence for a given amount of flow.... thus improving the block's cooling ability.

Fixittt 10-19-2002 10:38 AM

Who told ya that you cant make that block the way its drawn????

Sure you can. U will have some rounded edges, but U cant make the angles just fine. Juse use a smalled endmill, and have it make side by side passes. Hell, U could make it so that the rounded edges are very small. Rough out the desight , then finnish it up with a 1/8th endmill, and if you wanted to really get a good angle, go in with some really light passes with a 1/16th endmill that way the rounded parts will be 1/16 /4= or smaller

ChrioN 10-19-2002 04:20 PM

Try to make a triangle-block...?

utabintarbo 10-19-2002 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by #Rotor
why is round corners better.... I say it's not....

not for cooling anyhow.... sharp corners induce more turbulence for a given amount of flow.... thus improving the block's cooling ability.

Well, as I see it, turbulence is good close to the heat source. Turbulence away from the heat source only causes flow restriction. Since this design plawsworth submitted is so large relative to the effective "heat source dissipation zone", the sharp corners won't really help that much with the cooling ability of the block. It comes down to where the corners are.

Just my opinion....

Bob

PlawsWorth 10-19-2002 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by utabintarbo
Well, as I see it, turbulence is good close to the heat source. Turbulence away from the heat source only causes flow restriction. Since this design plawsworth submitted is so large relative to the effective "heat source dissipation zone", the sharp corners won't really help that much with the cooling ability of the block. It comes down to where the corners are.

Just my opinion....

Bob


I agree with your opinion.

jamicon 10-19-2002 08:37 PM

Re: Re: Re: a image
 
Quote:

Originally posted by PlawsWorth
Well I found this design of a block. The only problem is that the cnc machine can't make the edges the way the design is made. So the edges have to be round instead. http://w1.406.telia.com/~u40607021/main.jpg

1 Inch = 25,4mm (76mm/25,4mm=2,9921inch)

So 12mm = 0,47244

84mm = 3,30708

55mm = 2,1653

76mm = 2,9921

2,5mm = 0,09842

5mm = 0,196850

4,5mm = 0,177165

4mm = 0,1574803

46mm = 1,81102

15mm = 0,590551


sorta like my block

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~mujaj/water/block.jpg

which just happens to be the design of the Liquid CC Blocks.

utabintarbo 10-19-2002 08:45 PM

Re: Re: Re: a image
 
Quote:

Originally posted by PlawsWorth
Well I found this design of a block. The only problem is that the cnc machine can't make the edges the way the design is made. So the edges have to be round instead.

<image not shown>


Well, about this design... I checked the dimensions, and it seems to be a socket 478 block. We were looking to make a Socket A block, correct?

If so, I will "adjust" the design to fit. Just don't expect it to look exactly like the one pictured. I will assume that the general design + the baseplate thickness are paramount, all else is "negotiable".

Let me know if this reflects your requirements.

Bob

PlawsWorth 10-20-2002 09:46 AM

Re: Re: Re: Re: a image
 
Quote:

Originally posted by utabintarbo
Well, about this design... I checked the dimensions, and it seems to be a socket 478 block. We were looking to make a Socket A block, correct?

If so, I will "adjust" the design to fit. Just don't expect it to look exactly like the one pictured. I will assume that the general design + the baseplate thickness are paramount, all else is "negotiable".

Let me know if this reflects your requirements.

Bob

I found the picture on some website and thought that the image looked kind of "cool". Yes, it's a Socket A we are building :) How the end product look, doesn't matter to me, as long as it does it's job :) As long as the block fit's on Socket A motherboard, all thickness and other dimensions doesn't care. Feel free to change whatever you want to make it right :) I have talked with my friend Paul and since there is an autum holiday that starts next monday we will begin to make the block then. When finished I will take some photos and upload. Then when I recieve my bix pro and my eheim 1048 in the same week and got it up running I will post pics of the whole thing in action.

bigben2k 10-20-2002 09:57 AM

You might want to consider adding a couple of fins, over the core area. It'd give you slightly better performance than a regular maze type block.

PlawsWorth 10-21-2002 11:32 AM

Re: Re: Re: Re: a image
 
Quote:

Originally posted by utabintarbo
Well, about this design... I checked the dimensions, and it seems to be a socket 478 block. We were looking to make a Socket A block, correct?

If so, I will "adjust" the design to fit. Just don't expect it to look exactly like the one pictured. I will assume that the general design + the baseplate thickness are paramount, all else is "negotiable".

Let me know if this reflects your requirements.

Bob

I talked with paul, he would like the design in .dxf or .dwg if possible.

PlawsWorth 10-23-2002 08:24 AM

utabintarbo, if you got more question or anything, email me at fallenraver@telia.com cause I have fixed my mail now. //CJ

#Rotor 10-24-2002 11:32 PM

You do have a very valid point there, indeed. I did not think of it in that way. :)


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