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ItsTooHot 11-07-2003 10:08 AM

Watercooled Shuttle
 
I have always wanted to water cool a Shuttle. I had been making a list of parts and dimentions for a while, but getting a pump in such a little box frustrated me for the longest time, until Xoxide came out with a really cool looking pump/res that solved my last problem.

Then the mod built itself and I was along for the ride.

This is just the first phase of this project, but by far the coolest phase. And I was so excited that it worked, and worked WELL, that I had to post it. This is an integrated watercooled Shuttle.


http://www.av-geeks.com/Shuttle/Back-1st-cut.jpg
The first cuts. Where the radiator and pump will go.

http://www.av-geeks.com/Shuttle/Back-Test-Fit.jpg
I wanted this huge freaking radiator because I wasn't sure the pump would be up to the task. So I stuck with my "Too much is never enough" philosophy and wedged teh sucker in.

http://www.av-geeks.com/Shuttle/Top-Test-Fit.jpg
You can see it takes up the entire length and top of the Shuttle. And I loved how the back says "Look at my watercooled rear end!".

http://www.av-geeks.com/Shuttle/Side-Test-Fit.jpg
You can see vaguely where the hose will be run.

http://www.av-geeks.com/Shuttle/Hose-Route1.jpg
I needed to route the hose into the 3.5" bay in order to get around the power supply (not shown). I decided bending the edges away would chaffe less on the hose, and it would never be seen.

http://www.av-geeks.com/Shuttle/Hose-Route2.jpg
You can see the hose goes in the 3.5" bay and over the hard drive.

ItsTooHot 11-07-2003 10:08 AM

http://www.av-geeks.com/Shuttle/Block-Fit1.jpg
Finally got the hose in the right place with no kinks.

http://www.av-geeks.com/Shuttle/Block-Fit2.jpg
This was the first shot of the completed cooling circuit.

http://www.av-geeks.com/Shuttle/Block-Fit3.jpg
I just can't describe how tight it is to work in there.

http://www.av-geeks.com/Shuttle/Naked1.jpg
And now you can see it with the power supply mounted. It takes up a good percentage of these little cases.

http://www.av-geeks.com/Shuttle/Front1.jpg
No room in there at all. Alcohol120% will be used for mounting CD images in this baby.

http://www.av-geeks.com/Shuttle/Front2.jpg
Those edges will get cleaned up later, in the second phase of this project.

http://www.av-geeks.com/Shuttle/Cover1.jpg
That return hose is the only thing I don't really like. I'm still working on that one.

http://www.av-geeks.com/Shuttle/Cover2.jpg
One more little trim on the cover, and it fits like a glove.

This thing worked out beautifully. I got this SN41G2 to power an XP2400+ at 2325MHz. And it never gets above 40c.

Here are the final shots for now. Now I'm off to make it look pretty...


http://www.av-geeks.com/Shuttle/Complete1.jpg
Ready for a LANparty Baby!

http://www.av-geeks.com/Shuttle/Complete2.jpg
Pick me up! I wanna go!

http://www.av-geeks.com/Shuttle/Complete3.jpg
Baby got watercooled BACK!

Zogthetroll 11-07-2003 10:36 AM

VERY nice use of space there. looks really nice. I can't wait to see more pics once you get more completed with your project. btw, what kind of waterblock did you use for it?

ItsTooHot 11-07-2003 11:30 AM

oops. a whole series of shots didn't show up. its fixed now.

Its a DD Maze4 block. Despite the current controversy over the RBX, I've been reasonable happy with this block.

Joe 11-07-2003 01:10 PM

Very impressive, I take my hat off to you sir!

I have long loved the thought of extremely small extremely well cooled machines ( my Pro/Mini was an attempt at a small cooling system that had some serious power to it also). GJ

Brians256 11-07-2003 01:35 PM

Nice little package!

pHaestus 11-15-2003 11:46 PM

Yea I think if you could tap a thread on the other side of the res so that your return line was not looping around then it would be pretty much perfectly executed. Great job on the radiator up top it looks great!

ItsTooHot 11-19-2003 11:39 AM

Now thats a great idea. The upper barb is the return, so that wouldn't be hard to do at all.


I either needed a kick in the head or a good suggestion to solve that problem. Given everything else I did in this project I'm kinda disapointed I didn't think of that myself.

Thanks man!

the_chad 11-22-2003 03:46 AM

Congrats, fantastic work there, great use of space

thank god for alcohol 120% hey?

lol

great job :D

pHaestus 11-22-2003 09:45 AM

Glad I could be of some minor help. You make me want to get one of these cases and copy your work; it's that well done!

ItsTooHot 11-24-2003 12:16 PM

Ack. I bought another one of those pumps and tried to drill a return line on the other side. It cracked right after I finished drilling. The crack probably could have been sealed with silicon or something like that, but when I tried to tap it, it chipped.

So after blowing $60 and destroying a pump, I think I'll just leave it as it is.


And yes, I couldn't have done this project without Alcohol120%. At least not in this form.

rocketmanx 11-25-2003 03:22 PM

Nice job ITH :cool:

Been thinking about doing that to my Shuttle Reflexion. Now you've inspired me to buy the parts. Ordered em last night, should be here tomorrow. I have a MCP300 pump that would probably fit with the t-line internally but liked the Xoxide combo (had forgot about those) and the way it mounts to the back nicely. I WON'T attempt a retap though, sorry bout your luck with that :(

Got a single 80 mm Black Ice Micro for a rad. Hope it will mount where the heat-pipe goes. Space out the Xoxide to allow air flow.

Did you have any trouble with the gpu block fitting below where the cd tray is? I want to still have my dvd-rw so I'm slightly concerned. -Woops, dumb question, shoulda looked at pics :rolleyes:

How's your performance been? Better than the heat-pipe I'm sure.

ItsTooHot 11-26-2003 08:00 AM

Performace has been great. I have 2 120mm fans under the rad, so cooling in kinda overkill. I got the 2400+ up to 2313 and it Folds all day long at 40-42c.

I think you will have enough room for a DVDRW. Replacing the ICE with that small rad should be fine. You can see in the pics that the 3/8 tubing just rests against the HD. You should be fine for spacing. Definately tight, but it should all fit.

The cracking was probably due more to my impatiance than anything else. I'm sure someone with more experience with acrylic can do this. I'm just not willing to try again right now. With my rad how it is, I can't use the fill hole as a return, but that might be an option for you. You can just block off the return barb and use the fill cap instead.

winewood 11-26-2003 08:46 AM

If you used a small rad.. ie bix or something similar, could you possible fit in the cdrom drive?

Ruiner 12-01-2003 02:09 PM

Not to nitpick, but...
Wouldn't you get better flow by replacing the 2 90's with a single piece of tubing (with a gentle curve, like your inlet tubing)?

Can you fit an AGP card in that rig?

What are the specs on that pump?

ItsTooHot 12-01-2003 02:40 PM

The pump is definately a weak link, but it fit into my plans so perfectly I had to use it. Its only 90CFM and the head is only 20 inches I think. But I only needed a head of a few inches, so I wasn't worries about it too much.

Working with something this small you have to expect compromizes, so I was thrilled that I was still able to get the overclock that I did. When I started, I was worried it wouldn't cool as well as the ICE.

Yes, I can still fit AGP card in there. I run it with a 9800np without any problems.

I know the 90 degree bends rub everyone the wrong way, but I was still trying to keep it as small as possible. That was just personal preference. I wouldn't have minded if f the tubing went up, or farther back, but I didn't want to make the Shuttle any wider, because I might makd the mistake of catching it on something when I moved it. So yeah, I ended up limiting the flow an an already weak pump. But that was why I also chose the dual 120mm fans and the big assed radiator. Its not ideal, but it still works well.

superart 12-01-2003 02:49 PM

If you mounted the fans on top of the rad, would you have enough room for a slimline cdrom or dvdrom drive?

But then the airflow would be extremely hindered, right?

bikr 12-01-2003 03:37 PM

if you want to get it all inside the case , bust open that Xoxide pump , that is a SysFX pump tank that was made for Xoxide , the pump inside , if i'm not mistaken , is a rio 180 ,

http://www.epetpals.com/000676002568.JPG

with a tiny bit of work this can be run entirely inline. with great performance , your radiator is huge and would adequately hold/ cool enough to keep your system down to a temp that doesn't require a res at all.. you could mount the pump outside of the drive cage opposite of where your tubing runs currently..

Great work btw , but i'd love to see it fully internal!!! --Josh

FallOutBoyTonto 12-02-2003 09:24 AM

I was impressed enough to send the url of this thread to hardnews@hardocp.com. Guess what, they posted it! You're on [H]! Its on "[H]ardNews 6th Edition" for Monday, December01, 2003. :D Nice job!

ItsTooHot 12-02-2003 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by superart
If you mounted the fans on top of the rad, would you have enough room for a slimline cdrom or dvdrom drive?

But then the airflow would be extremely hindered, right?


You could definstely mount the fans on the top. And that would leave pleanty of room for a laptop CDROM. It wouldn't decrease the flow by any noticable amount. I used the gasket that came with radiator, so blowing and sucking should give very similar performance. As a matter of fact, I made that cut very narrow to make sure the gasket was well hidden. If you opened up the top a little more and stuck the fans on the outside, it would cool better that what I did.

I definately sacrificed cooling potential for style when I did this mod. And the wind tunnel 2 120mm fans on full blast (mine aren't - very quiet) would keep everything inside nice and chilly.

superart 12-02-2003 11:37 AM

No, i meant that would cut down on airflow through the rad since the cdrom drive would be obstructing it, or would it?

Stratu$ 12-09-2003 10:15 AM

Hi, I just purchased a Shuttle SN45G and I'd like to watercool it the same way you did. Can you put out a complete list of all the parts you used, where you purchased them and how much everything costed so I can replicate your awesome watercooled case?

I also wanted to know how difficult it was to do this modification? I've never water cooled a case before and I really don't know too much about it. But, I'm doing a lot more gaming and I want to overclock my SN45G. Any help you can give me would be awesome. Thanks and your case is awesome! Stratu$

Sc0rian 12-10-2003 04:03 AM

Nice use of space. And I had a problem with a normal size case

*klonk* 12-22-2003 07:47 AM

Heres a nutty dane whos done the same.
Unfortunatly the text is in dansih but it has really nice pictures.

http://www.tweakup.dk/article/202/dk/

:)

Stratu$ 01-12-2004 02:34 PM

Hi all. Just wanted to see if you could answer my previous question. Thanks.

Stratu$ 01-12-2004 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stratu$
Hi, I just purchased a Shuttle SN45G and I'd like to watercool it the same way you did. Can you put out a complete list of all the parts you used, where you purchased them and how much everything costed so I can replicate your awesome watercooled case?

I also wanted to know how difficult it was to do this modification? I've never water cooled a case before and I really don't know too much about it. But, I'm doing a lot more gaming and I want to overclock my SN45G. Any help you can give me would be awesome. Thanks and your case is awesome! Stratu$

Hey ITH, can you answer my question above? Thanks!

Skee^ 01-25-2004 10:38 AM

If i dontt remeber wrong Bladerunner even watercooled his AGP VGA card too in his shuttle. :drool:

Arcturius 01-27-2004 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by *klonk*
Heres a nutty dane whos done the same.
Unfortunatly the text is in dansih but it has really nice pictures.

http://www.tweakup.dk/article/202/dk/

:)

Just choose 'English' instead of 'Dansk' in the top right. Much more readable. :evilaugh:

Nice job, ITH, btw. I'm still trying to figure out how to cleanly fit a WC system into a much larger case... :p

superart 01-27-2004 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skee^
If i dontt remeber wrong Bladerunner even watercooled his AGP VGA card too in his shuttle. :drool:

I didn't know bladerunner had a w'cooled shuttle.

Linkage?

rocketmanx 01-28-2004 08:19 AM

In case you get no reply about parts, here's how I did mine-
I believe the parts list is there either throughout the thread or I may have listed it, don't remember. The install's fairly well shown. there wasn't much to it other than figuring out where to put parts and run lines.
Watercooled Reflexion


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