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SysCrusher 10-15-2004 06:39 PM

Where to get a blower?
 
Just as the title says. Looking for something to use in my own custom build case. Thinking of a car blower but unsure of the start up voltage/amps on these things. But that would fit the bill.

greenman100 10-15-2004 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SysCrusher
Just as the title says. Looking for something to use in my own custom build case. Thinking of a car blower but unsure of the start up voltage/amps on these things. But that would fit the bill.


what size do you want?

I have one that's 10"x6"x7" and pushes 700CFM in free flow

redleader 10-15-2004 07:14 PM

^^ How much for something like that? I'm thinking of upgradeing the circulation in my house.

SysCrusher 10-15-2004 07:49 PM

LOL That's some serious air flow. I was thinking of something like this.

http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.as...tname=electric

If I can put it on a dimmer switch or something would be great. More air flow the better though if I can still adjust the speed of it.

greenman100 10-15-2004 07:56 PM

mine's 48VDC and runs all the way down to 12v

I'm thinking about selling it

DrCR 10-15-2004 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by greenman100
mine's 48VDC and runs all the way down to 12v

How quiet is it at 12V? Compared to, say, a Vantec Stealth 80mm, Panaflo 80mm, or, uh, maybe a Wester Digital 7200rpm hard drive.

Just curious. I'm not particulary interested in buying it from you. Though you got a link to the manf. and model you have?


Thanks,

DrCR


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greenman100 10-15-2004 10:09 PM

http://www.ebmpapst.us/allpdfs/D1G133.PDF

still makes some niuse at 12v, mostly the rushing of air-if I cap off the ends, it's pretty quiet

I'd say about like a single 80mm Panaflo H, but a lower frequency

DrCR 10-15-2004 11:15 PM

Cool, thanks!

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Originally Posted by greenman100
... but a lower frequency

Yeah, that's one another thing the blower have going for them. Whitenoise isn't anywhere near as bad as a quieter, but whiner noise IMHO.


DrCR

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SysCrusher 10-21-2004 05:24 PM

Anyone seeing a problem running this off an extra psu?
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.as...tname=electric

Someone got the lot on the last one. No more left. :(

What about running a 110volt on a dimmer switch? Is that possible and safe?

MadHacker 10-21-2004 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SysCrusher
Anyone seeing a problem running this off an extra psu?
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.as...tname=electric

Someone got the lot on the last one. No more left. :(

What about running a 110volt on a dimmer switch? Is that possible and safe?

strange it sais they have 447 still in stock

The Dark Hacker 10-21-2004 07:52 PM

where did you buy that papst blower?

redleader 10-21-2004 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SysCrusher
Anyone seeing a problem running this off an extra psu?
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.as...tname=electric

Someone got the lot on the last one. No more left. :(

What about running a 110volt on a dimmer switch? Is that possible and safe?

Dimmer will work fine. Theres obviously going to be a limit on how much it will slow things though. Generally AC motors have the speed determined by the frequency of the power. WHat the inductor does is lower current. So what'll happen is you'll starve the motor of power and force it to run slower then ideal. Eventually you won't have enough power to start it, but above that point it'll work as you'd expect.

SysCrusher 10-21-2004 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MadHacker
strange it sais they have 447 still in stock


THis is the one I originally wanted. Guess I'm to slow trying to figure out how to do this the best way before I spend the cash.

SysCrusher 10-21-2004 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by redleader
Dimmer will work fine. Theres obviously going to be a limit on how much it will slow things though. Generally AC motors have the speed determined by the frequency of the power. WHat the inductor does is lower current. So what'll happen is you'll starve the motor of power and force it to run slower then ideal. Eventually you won't have enough power to start it, but above that point it'll work as you'd expect.


Don't some dimmers use the frequency? I remember using one of those flourescent bulbs in a dimmer and it wouldnt work because the dimmer itself would just flicker the thing off and on. The more you turned the dimmer up the faster that blink would go.

Dc blower that I looked at requires 9amps which might kill a psu over time. The 110 volt I could wire up along with my pump with ease.

MadHacker 10-21-2004 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SysCrusher
Dc blower that I looked at requires 9amps which might kill a psu over time. The 110 volt I could wire up along with my pump with ease.

9 amps isn't that much...
my 450w Powersupply puts out 22 Amps on the 12v line...
should handle the 9 amps fine i would think
my 2¢

edit Fixed bad TAGS "QUOTE"

greenman100 10-21-2004 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MadHacker
Dc blower that I looked at requires 9amps which might kill a psu over time. The 110 volt I could wire up along with my pump with ease.

9 amps isn't that much...
my 450w Powersupply puts out 22 Amps on the 12v line...
should handle the 9 amps fine i would think
my 2¢[/quote]


that only leaves 13a

couple HDs, couple opticals, you're down to 10a

that's only 120w for the processor

better not run a presshot

MadHacker 10-25-2004 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by greenman100
that only leaves 13a

couple HDs, couple opticals, you're down to 10a

that's only 120w for the processor

better not run a presshot

possibly a 550 wat supply be enough?
myself i'm going to put my Fans and water pumps in an exteral box...
so i will have a dedicated powersupply for it...
only thing i'm worried about is that there will be no load on the 5 volt line...
I have read somewhere that this can cause the 12v line to drop? duno for shure..
guess i'll find out...

SysCrusher 10-25-2004 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MadHacker
possibly a 550 wat supply be enough?
myself i'm going to put my Fans and water pumps in an exteral box...
so i will have a dedicated powersupply for it...
only thing i'm worried about is that there will be no load on the 5 volt line...
I have read somewhere that this can cause the 12v line to drop? duno for shure..
guess i'll find out...

depends on how it was made. Those truepowers with the 3 dedicated lines will be ok. Any other will require a load on the 5v to get the full 12v. Why? I don't know. I did this to run my fans and without a load on the 5v I got only 10v out of the 12v. I used a small 5v fan mounted inside the psu and that got me just under 12v at 11.97v.

MadHacker 10-25-2004 04:39 PM

how many watts would i need on the 5 volt line?
would that be powersupply dependent question? or is it safe to say i would need X watts or X percentage of 12Volt power?

SysCrusher 10-25-2004 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MadHacker
how many watts would i need on the 5 volt line?
would that be powersupply dependent question? or is it safe to say i would need X watts or X percentage of 12Volt power?


Your question is as good as mine. I used a small low powered flex psu for my fans so that small 5v fan did the trick for me. I never tried it on anything larger.

redleader 10-25-2004 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SysCrusher
Don't some dimmers use the frequency? I remember using one of those flourescent bulbs in a dimmer and it wouldnt work because the dimmer itself would just flicker the thing off and on. The more you turned the dimmer up the faster that blink would go.

Dc blower that I looked at requires 9amps which might kill a psu over time. The 110 volt I could wire up along with my pump with ease.

Dimmers are inductor based. A circuit that could change the frequency of a sizable AC current would most likely cost more then whatever you were trying to use it with. Its a lot more complicated then simply reduceing the current so that the motor isn't as effcient.

DrCR 11-03-2004 11:09 PM

Just FYI, but I've desided to go for 38mm thick AC axials instead. Seem to have the high pressue, low noise combination that I'm looking for, and for a given airflow they're quieter than a DC, for a given quietness they move more air.

http://forums.silentpcreview.com/viewtopic.php?t=16393

The AC aspect is perfect too as I'll be using an Iwaki MD-20Z in a quasi-external rad box anyway.

DrCR

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zebkoolindc 11-04-2004 07:07 PM

There is this one too.

http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.as...tname=electric

53v 4a 415cfm

DrCR 11-07-2004 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by zebkoolindc
There is this one too.

http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.as...tname=electric

53v 4a 415cfm

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Originally Posted by From that link...
415 CFM 53 VDC VARIABLE SPEED BLOWER
NEW FLOWMAX Brushless DC blower that can be speed controlled for variable output flow. Ideal for solar systems, mobile equipment cooling, industrial heating and cooling, and many other applications. Black enamel finished steel housing with galvanized blower wheel. Variable speed control with separate input voltage from 0 to 10 volts DC. Single wire output signal for use with tachometer for speed indication. 24 volt DC minimum operating voltage.

SPECIFICATIONS

* CFM 415
* Voltage 53 volt DC
* Amperage 4 amps
* Speed control voltage 0 - 10 volts DC
* 0 volts DC = 50% max speed
* 5 volts DC = 75% max speed
* 10 volts DC = 100% max speed


* Speed 2350 RPM maximum
* Dual inlet 4-1/2" diameter
* Discharge 9" x 2-5/8" with flange
* Blower wheel 5-3/4" diameter x 7" wide
* Size 8-1/4" x 10-3/8" x 8-7/8"
* Shpg 16 lbs

* 0 volts DC = 50% max speed


Say what?!

What kind of speed controller is that?!

DrCR

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mastermind2004 11-07-2004 03:13 AM

A very good one? I know I would love to have a controller that delivered 50% power with no voltage applied.
;)


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