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\\«WÎÑG»// 08-24-2005 06:51 PM

Air conditioner as cooling.
 
now i know this wouldnt be that hard. using air conditioning process as a way of cooling air, mabe even liquid at the same time and cooling air as a by product.
an air conditioning system work almost the same as a liquid cooling system, but focuses on cooling more then just circulating.
this diagram shows how it works.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5816/acupsnew5fw.gif

if you can make this miniature, you have yourself a below room temp. cooling system.
making this smaller shouldnt be too much of a problem, since the only reason why its so big and bulky, is the fact that there trying to cool a entire room. where trying to cool a much smaller computer case.
and it doesnt all have to fit inside the case, it could also fit behind or partialy inside, just like some liquid cooling systems.

all you basically need is:

A compressor
An expansion valve
A hot coil (on the outside for dispersing heat)
A chilled coil (on the inside for cooling air)
Two fans
A control unit

(i drawed that myself by the way, lol.... ;) )

Etacovda 08-24-2005 07:04 PM

this guys a troll right...


RIGHT?!?

maxSaleen 08-24-2005 07:16 PM

Wing:

Are you suggesting have a sealed case, and then have a small AC system transport the heat? This would not be very efficient. It should also be noted that it is not very easy to find small compressors. A chilled liquid system would be much more efficient.

\\«WÎÑG»// 08-24-2005 07:28 PM

what do you mean have a sealed case?
you wouldnt need a sealed case for a AC system.

also, why wouldnt that be very efficient?

and yes i do agree with you on finding a small compressor, but it doesnt mean it wouldnt work if you could.

chilling the liquid was the other suggestion i gave for this too.

here's another diagram

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/7828/acwaterl3tz.gif
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/6...rlabels1ag.gif

billbartuska 08-24-2005 08:15 PM

http://www.overclockers.com/articles618/ .....????

jaydee 08-24-2005 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billbartuska

What I was thinking aswell....

\\«WÎÑG»// 08-24-2005 08:28 PM

what about it?
its a cpu cooler. it works on the same way as a AC, but instead of a air cooling, it cools water, or mabe air, im not shure, into a single part of a computer. almost the same thing but not what im talking about.
cooling the air inside a computer case seems a very simple, but good thing to do.
go in your car and turn the AC on at full blast, and tell me that wouldnt be cool to have as your computer fan. AC's, if built correctly can also work as DEHUMITIFIER.
if you ask me, this is what we all wont.

we havnt been able to cool, without having condisation, whitch distroys everything. so thus keeping us from cooling are comp's below a certain tempature.

but AC's, if you noticed while in the car with it on, blow out DRY COOL AIR.

jaydee 08-24-2005 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by \\«WÎÑG»//
what about it?
its a cpu cooler. it works on the same way as a AC, but instead of a air cooling, it cools water, or mabe air, im not shure, into a single part of a computer. almost the same thing but not what im talking about.
cooling the air inside a computer case seems a very simple, but good thing to do.
go in your car and turn the AC on at full blast, and tell me that wouldnt be cool to have as your computer fan. AC's, if built correctly can also work as DEHUMITIFIER.
if you ask me, this is what we all wont.

we havnt been able to cool, without having condisation, whitch distroys everything. so thus keeping us from cooling are comp's below a certain tempature.

but AC's, if you noticed while in the car with it on, blow out DRY COOL AIR.

The unit posted in that link is basically what you are talking about. Instead of using the block to cool the CPU only you would make a heat exchanger out of it like a radiator and put a fan on it effectivly making it a AC unit to cool the air in the computer. Pretty much a mini AC unit. This has all been talked about before here.

\\«WÎÑG»// 08-24-2005 08:42 PM

well its still a good idea, i knew you could use this for more then case cooling, you could even have multiple cooling hoses that run to each piece of hardware, not just one.

Joe 08-24-2005 09:08 PM

atleast hes posting in random nonsense, I hate it when people post in the wrong areas.

\\«WÎÑG»// 08-24-2005 11:44 PM

wow your a posser you know that joe.

Joe 08-24-2005 11:45 PM

You should really read some of your own posts.

\\«WÎÑG»// 08-24-2005 11:49 PM

you should too read mine too.
and by the way, that line isnt funny, its funny for little white kids with rich parents like cause you wont to be a black ganster.
and there is nothing wrong with this topic, cause it seems that it works good.

Joe 08-25-2005 12:04 AM

I dont even know what the hell you are talking about... something about non funny black ganster kids...

\\«WÎÑG»// 08-25-2005 12:16 AM

thats because your stupid

Spot 08-25-2005 01:20 AM

Quote:

thats because your stupid
Cool down Joe, try counting to 100 :dome:

Wing, wanna try reading this
http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/forumdisplay.php?f=38

SpeedSwede 08-25-2005 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by \\«WÎÑG»//
thats because your stupid

:mad: INTERNET RAGE :mad:

Joe 08-25-2005 07:35 AM

hehe I feel like I am in a Jr high lunch room when I read this thread hehe.

"NO IM NOT.. YOUR STUPID!!" hehe

TerraMex 08-25-2005 10:12 AM

no, really, it's a great ideia.

TaTs 08-25-2005 10:28 AM

That picture is unbelievable TerraMex!!!
That's not your room by any chance is it Wing?

______
TaTs

killernoodle 08-25-2005 10:59 AM

Well, if you designed the world's very first phase change comptuer cooler, it would have to be all aluminum otherwise it wouldnt cool as well. This, my friends, is a fact that cannot be disputed.

Brians256 08-25-2005 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by killernoodle
Well, if you designed the world's very first phase change comptuer cooler, it would have to be all aluminum otherwise it wouldnt cool as well. This, my friends, is a fact that cannot be disputed.

But, what about liquid mercury? It should cool better than water. Then you wouldn't need phase change.

( :D for the cooling impaired )

Brians256 08-25-2005 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by \\«WÎÑG»//
now i know this wouldnt be that hard. using air conditioning process as a way of cooling air, mabe even liquid at the same time and cooling air as a by product.
an air conditioning system work almost the same as a liquid cooling system, but focuses on cooling more then just circulating.
this diagram shows how it works.

OK, serious reply.

Phase change works more efficiently if you just cool the CPU and let low velocity air cool the rest. Nothing else really benefits greatly from phase change other than the GPU, and the graphics card is USUALLY limited by memory which does NOT benefit greatly from extreme low temperatures.

There was a nice Overclockers.com URL posted. Read it and then read the stuff posted in the phase change forum.

Really, we're not stupid, so start by assuming that we've thought of all the ideas you've come up with. Because.... we probably have. Most of the serious people here are well above the first sigma in IQ and they have spent the time to try out a LOT of approaches.

TerraMex 08-25-2005 04:09 PM

<flame>
he strikes me as the kind of people who doesnt let logic get in the way. ;)
</flame>

\\«WÎÑG»// 08-25-2005 04:13 PM

i never said you were stupid, just joe. cause he thinks i care about what he knows. thats all.

well you guys might have thought of this before, but i just started getting into cooling systems around 2 mounth ago. so for me to think of this that fast may not be a new idea, but its still origonal for since i never new or had any idea about any cooling systems for my computer, besides fans until just recently.
i didnt even know you could by a liquid cooling system untill i got into building my computer, and was even thinking about building my own for a new idea.
but now i find out every1 has taken wat i think of.


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