Attack of the clones...
 

http://bbs.ysun.net/attachment/Fid_29/29_1149.jpg

Hmmm....

http://www.ysun.net/

Takes a while to load here... can't read chinese either...!

Upper right hand corner is an "English" tab, puts most of it into English.

Its the chinese.....everything in the whole country is reversed engineered, even the rice.

Are these your boys Lowthar?

Copy and pasted lock stock and barrel from our website.

Those are definitely not CoolingWorks radiators but I have seen samples of them...If I were you Wilbert I would worry.

Am not worried at all, Erick.

Our legal contacts in China have sent a nicely worded letter to rectify this situation.

And besides, next gen rads are just around the corner and they're not just tweaked versions of existing radiator technology or using old style cheap ass lockseam tubes. ;)

Honestly, I think it is absolutely wrong that they used your trademark name.

Next generation rads….Please forgive me if I am skeptical; I’ll wait to see the no bullshit data from Bill.

:rolleyes:

OK, for those who don't know what's going on, a quick summary of some of the people:

TNT2bluz: represents HWLabs that makes the Black Ice radiators (among other things)
Lothar5150: represents CoolingWorks which makes CoolRad12-T, CoolSleeves, etc...
BillA: works for CoolingWorks (used to work for Swiftech) but has not commented in this thread
Marci: represents Thermochill which makes the PA160, other rads and such

I think I got all that right.

hey guys, cut up a Swiftech rad

"old style cheap ass lockseam tubes"
??

sounds like old style cheap ass sales talk
from HW Labs

whatever happened to overclock-watercool.com? Thats all we need in here, then we could have our own reality show.

Hello everyone,

I heard a very rumor regarding the radiator manufactures and retailers. While it is difficult to believe this story and very much rumor, my understanding is that there are a series of emails which could indeed verify this story.

My understanding is that the Oregon Company used the California Company in order to get an exclusive distribution agreement with a company with the Philippines Company and also get that company to lower its price.

The really clever part about it is how the Oregon Company played both sides against the middle. My understanding is that California Company approached the Oregon Company as a source for radiators very similar to the Philippines Company radiators. The Oregon Company was very interested and even went as far as to send samples of the Philippines Company radiators to be cloned. Once the California Company completed tooling of the new but very similar radiators, the California Company and Oregon Company negotiated pricing. After a price was agreed upon the Oregon Company backed out.

The Oregon Company then begins negotiations with the Philippines Company in order to secure an exclusive distribution agreement and lower pricing. The Philippines Company sold its products to OEM Distributors and Retailers alike and did not have a particular interest in an exclusive agreement as this would reduce its margins. However, the Oregon Company now had leverage. Though it could not directly us this leverage less tip its hand. So the Oregon Company used a retailer in New Mexico to request an OEM sales quote from the Company in California and calls several times to inquire about availability. This retailer in New Mexico then bounces this OEM quote off of the company in the Philippines.

The company in the Philippines then become nervous and realizes that it now has real competition and has also been dropped by one of its largest OEM partners (a company on a hill) The Philippines Company agrees to the exclusive distribution agreement with the company in Oregon and does not realized it has been played.

Incidentally I heard that the Retailer in New Mexico actually had the Gaul to thank the Company in California for helping them get a lower price from the company in the Philippines by being leverage for the Company in Oregon.

That is the story as I heard it.

Thanks for the info!

some more:

ysun.net (SysCooling - shijiazhuang dongyuan computer cld) is registered and hosted in China.

hwlabs.com is registered in the Phillipines, and hosted in the USA (MA)

coolingworks.com is registered and hosted in the USA (CA)

thermochill.com is registered in the UK, and hosted in the USA

swiftnets.com (Swiftech) is registered and hosted in the USA (CA)

cooltechnica.com registered in USA (NV) and hosted in USA (IL)

systemcooling.com registered in the USA (MA) and hosted in the USA (VA)

dangerden.com registered in the US (OR) and hosted in the US (CT)

(info gathered from whois.sc )

No implications meant here, just trying to clarify (unsuccesfully) the post by new user "silencedogood" (in Boston, MA ?!?).

[edit: added dangerden]

bigben2K

What about the retailer in NM :shrug:

just because a company has a URL that is registerd and/or hosted in a particular country or state, doesnt mean it is from that location.

I mean some of the biggest corporations in the US are "headquortered" in a single room with a telephone line and a mailbox on some shitty godforsaken island. That doesnt make it a caribian company.

I thought about listing it, but I didn't quite see the connection. Here it is:

VOYEURMODS.COM registered in the US (NM) and hosted in the US (TX)


Superart; like I wrote, there's nothing implied here, I'm just trying to make sense of the statement, albeit unsuccesfully. Maybe someone else can pick up on it. :shrug: If it's any help, I'm just going through the posted reseller lists for HWLabs and DangerDen; it would make sense for the trail to start there, but I am shooting in the dark here.

I can conferm the part about Voyeurmods.

That being the case, it would essentially confirm DangerDen to be the Oregon company.

The only authorized resellers of HW labs in the USA are:
(from: http://www.hwlabs.com/resellers/northamerica.html)
BeCooling - aka AQUASTEALTH.COM registered in the US (MI) hosted in the US (IL)
Cooltechnica - already posted
Directron - Registered in the US (TX), hosted in the US (CA) (Yahoo Store)
SideWinder - Registered in the US (IN) hosted in the US (CA)
DangerDen - already posted

Something doesn't jive though:
Last I checked, HW Labs didn't announce anything exclusive, and neither did DangerDen.

DangerDen appears to be selling radiators from three sources: HW Labs, Thermochill, and a "no brand" (OEM?) set.

The plot thickens.

Here's another tid bit: the "...been dropped by one of its largest OEM partners (a company on a hill)..." might refer to:

coolingworks.com - whose registration info is listed as:
Armelin Widget Corporation
30141 Agoura Road
Agoura Hills, CA 91301
US

Can you confirm that, Lothar5150?

Well I'm pretty sure the CA company is Swiftech... not very discreet.

As in Signal Hill where Swiftech is located...

Sounds logical Nikhsub1; no other company really makes sense.

Systemcooling.com Ben??? LMAO :D

Oh Bill, don't be too obvious, remember your objectivity as lockseam tubes are so 1960's. ;)

It isn't our policy to comment on volumes done by our respective resellers or OEMs, even if they badger us for it or issue a PO which they never really intended to honor. It is always a trend among those who think of them bigger than themselves. Distros on the other hand get good breaks.

But seriously, the rumor mills know nothing more than rumors.

At any rate, in case people haven't noticed, the clone shop has revised its pages in compliance with legal commonsense and copyright. ;)

Case closed.

I know, completely unrelated. It came up on a search somewhere. :shrug:

Oh well it was fun while it lasted. :rolleyes:

We have never been an OEM partner of HWLabs

lol, if only the wc industry was as dramatic

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