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sneakerski 03-30-2003 10:46 AM

Creating Seal between copper and Polypropylene
 
What is the best way to make this seal? I don't have any clue about even the basics of sealing, so any help would be appreciated. Polypropylene is just a non-porous cheapo plastic used in tanks and ducts, and i'm using it as the cap ontop of my copper block. I was thinking either some kind of rubber type material around the edge of it or a adhesive/caulk type material??? Can you point me towards any material names or brands that will help me out? Thanks!

#Rotor 03-30-2003 11:05 AM

Marine Goop.... "Sticks like shiate" :D

sneakerski 03-30-2003 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by #Rotor
Marine Goop.... "Sticks like shiate" :D
cool, thanks. i assume 3.7 ounces is more than enough, right?

pHaestus 03-30-2003 11:28 AM

O ring and bolts also does fine.

hara 03-31-2003 07:00 AM

boo

hara 03-31-2003 07:01 AM

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O ring groove in copper and bolts will seal up to 1000psi if you follow the following guideline:

H=2/3*D
W= 1.18*D to 1.2*D

Where D is the cross sectional diameter of the O ring
H is the depth of the groove
W is the width of the groove

The groove can be cut with a standard endmill, no need for a special cutter.

It actually works:

JFettig 03-31-2003 07:01 PM

where did you get that 1000psi number? why dont you try putting 1000psi thru your block, I gaurentee its gonna splode.

as for sealing, marinegoop or rtv silicone and screws works insanely good, another thing that works great is JBweld


Jon

pHaestus 03-31-2003 09:12 PM

I just made and used a liquid cell that had to hold water at STP inside a chamber that was UHV (10^-7 torr or so). Just a groove, an o ring, and 4 hex bolts holding it down. Never leaked in 5 days of experiments...

Fixittt 04-02-2003 01:19 PM

o-ring and the groove, it works great............

I know this........


HEHEHHEHEHE

hara 04-02-2003 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JFettig
where did you get that 1000psi number? why dont you try putting 1000psi thru your block, I gaurentee its gonna splode.

as for sealing, marinegoop or rtv silicone and screws works insanely good, another thing that works great is JBweld


Jon

The block would explode because the top is made out of acrylic. If the top were made out of copper It would probably hold. I got that number from cathar.

MeltMan 04-02-2003 02:54 PM

O rings are used to seal much higher gas pressures than 1000. However you shouldnt need to be even close to that number.

Ive used standard rubber, urethane, and teflon o-rings to seal above 1400 psi nitrogen pressures.

so 1000 is a low "baseline"...

Fixittt 04-02-2003 05:13 PM

Ok, now with that being said, anyone remember the PSI number that the MAZE 2 held before it exploded? And it was a soldered top block.



Come on............ I know some of you guys have to remember.......

MadDogMe 04-03-2003 02:37 AM

If you can't old chap, what hope is there for us?! :p ...

Fixittt 04-03-2003 08:16 AM

Oh I remember, it was a big deal on there site, They made a point to advertise that the block could take 1000 psi. I beleive that the bursting point was between 1200 and 1400 psi.....

JFettig 04-03-2003 06:42 PM

go to dangerden.com click on the 'tested at 1000+psi' text in the logos and whatnots, It should still be there, They have a video, I think it held at 1400psi for a little bit...

hara 04-04-2003 02:08 AM

Do they use soldering or brasing for sealing the maze2 ?

msv 04-04-2003 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fixittt
Oh I remember, it was a big deal on there site, They made a point to advertise that the block could take 1000 psi. I beleive that the bursting point was between 1200 and 1400 psi.....
Yep, somewhere around 1300-1350. I watched that video several times. Though it was a Maze1, the ol“ original.
regards
Mikael S.

Fixittt 04-04-2003 10:38 AM

I think you all see where I was going with it though...............


that is why I used O-rings from the very beginning.

Cathar 04-05-2003 02:03 AM

Hmmm, I've never said 1000PSI for O-rings, I've always said 300+PSI, which is information that I attribute to BillA. I do recall saying about the Loctite 567 thread sealant for barbs which is rated for well over 1000PSI, which is perhaps what's being referred to here.


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