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mfpmax 08-15-2003 08:54 PM

People can't fit water into their computers?
 
http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/l/...r/waterout.jpg

Heck, I can pull mine out without taking any of it apart.

IGNORE THE WATER...its out to be cleaned and refilled and checked. Ugh, it looks ugly.

#Rotor 08-16-2003 08:05 AM

:D
http://3rotor.homelinux.com/SCM-BB/c...l_DSCN5491.JPG
not in the pic is the hard-drive block and rad,(allready in the case when I snapped that one....)

what does your case look like, with it all in...
http://3rotor.homelinux.com/SCM-BB/c...l_DSCN5492.JPG
that is a 4 block rig, working on the block for the gigbit LAN card.

mfpmax 08-16-2003 09:36 AM

GIGABIT! GIMMIE!
http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/l/...atercooler.jpg

Installed

Unfortunately I opened the water block and found sometime in the running I got corrosion.:eek: But I guess the next refill kept that at bay.

Zhentar 08-16-2003 12:01 PM

umm.... why would you want to watercool your gigabit LAN? If I remember correctly, the one I installed last week didn't even have a heatsink.

#Rotor 08-16-2003 12:52 PM

well this one has a nice little heatsink on it....

I don't like heatsinks..... I don't like them one little bit..... :D

http://3rotor.homelinux.com/SCM-BB/c...l_DSCN5345.JPG
to illustrate the predicament I'm in... That little heatsink, is making me look mediocre, average, so NOT extreme.... :) would you not agree???

It's just got ta go!!!


MFPMAX... you did well, getting that rig al nice and tucked in.... well indeed... :)

mfpmax 08-16-2003 01:35 PM

Also known as...

INSANE

But in a good way.

Solarian League 08-16-2003 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mfpmax
Also known as...

INSANE

But in a good way.

HEEEEY what's wrong with being INSANE!!!!

Zhentar 08-16-2003 02:34 PM

I think a better way would be to mount a CPU HSF w/ an 80mm fan to it :)

of course, on the other hand... why not? :)

Solarian League 08-16-2003 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zhentar
I think a better way would be to mount a CPU HSF w/ an 80mm fan to it :)

of course, on the other hand... why not? :)

*BOOOOOO!* :eek: you scare me sire. ;)

tho if youre seriously thinking about going back to arcane fans, i would highly recommend those rotons' theyre great fan, be sure to buy two of those babies then mount em on the side of you computer and u will have 1,100 CFM cooling that thing :)

airspirit 08-16-2003 10:13 PM

Talking about my radiator fans again? Hehe ....

Most people just don't think before designing their systems, and that is really the crux of the matter. I've seen a picture of a watercooled shuttle mini-pc before ... it can be done.

mfpmax 08-16-2003 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by airspirit
Talking about my radiator fans again? Hehe ....

Most people just don't think before designing their systems, and that is really the crux of the matter. I've seen a picture of a watercooled shuttle mini-pc before ... it can be done.

Thats going very far and something I will never do...

I don't need anything that small either :)

But man, when people buy a 8 bay server case and post a thread saying "I don't think my water cooler will fit"...

I just go "sigh"

Zhentar 08-16-2003 11:51 PM

Well, my radiator and pump alone are larger than your entire set up there... I find an 80mm vantec stealth fan at 12v too loud for my computer. Which things like a double size radiator like mine is neccessary for my setup to have good temps. since I stuck a fan over the pump to try and get more of its heat dissapating to air, I'm down to 4C above ambient and my systems noise is well below ambient... but there's no way this stuff will fit in my midtower case. Theres just no room for that kind of radiator. I figure a cube case is the only way I'll easily fit in that radiator without massive mods in a set up that I like...

Solarian League 08-17-2003 12:48 AM

hey i got a question, about radators, would an regular car engine radator work? i'm thinking of geting one for some furture experment of mine, but i'm thinking two pump here, we got an tank of water then an very powerful pump to shove the water though the car radator, then the water flow right back into the tank, cooling it down more, then there's a second smaller pump that pumps the water out of the tank though the cpu block, GPU block and anything else that needs cooling then dump it back into the tank. would that setup work?

airspirit 08-17-2003 01:01 AM

Car radiators are aluminum. Keep that in mind.

Solarian League 08-17-2003 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by airspirit
Car radiators are aluminum. Keep that in mind.
didn't know that but as of now its pretty much all theorical untill i'm out of college or something and have some spare $$ to throw around then i might give something like that a shot.

anyway shouldn't something like antifreeze and few other chemical help slow/stop the corrosion between copper/brass/aluminum

anyway i might be able to find an all copper radator if not a car one, then some LARGE copper radator of some type of at minum what 3-4 feet wide about 2-3 feet tall then i would stick a few roton fans on that thing :D

#Rotor 08-17-2003 09:25 AM

car rads will work awesome.... and you do not need a bigger pump to get it through the rad either.... actually the rad's size makes it even less of an back-pressure generator for you existing pump.

The single most difficult hurdle with it though, is where you are gona put it... If that ain't a problem, then why are we not seeing any pictures of it yet :D:D

Solarian League 08-17-2003 02:16 PM

Haha, right now i'm building my computer for college thus everything has to fit inside, which is no problem its an lian-li 75 nice and large case, anyway when i get out of college and have some cash i'm going to see if i can't find an decent car radator for an reasonable price then do some expertment :)

such as, finding a large deep freezer, then clean it out, put my resvor in there with some anti-freeze then put the car radator in there and put two roton on it so i will be circling the chilly air though the rad or something.

CoolROD 08-17-2003 03:18 PM

S.L. what you are talking about is a two-loop system and that can be beneficial, though probably not necessary for you.

Older car and equipment radiators are copper & brass -ie pre-70's and even some more current ones. They can still be bought new or salvaged (good luck finding a corrosion free one).

edit: changed "all copper" to "copper and brass"

babyeater 08-17-2003 05:06 PM

This has me thinking you would get very good temps with a car radiator.
I was looking at this site here http://www.frigair.com/index_en.html i only had a very quick look the first i seen was a rad from an Alpha 75 this has a surface area of 410*440*38 and is made from copper and brass . You could have this at the side of your case might not look very pretty but would do the job well.

CoolROD 08-17-2003 10:37 PM

It might work well, just remember that an infinately big rad will only give water temps slightly above ambiant. So there are diminishing gains... What are your temps now as compared to ambiant?

Solarian League 08-17-2003 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CoolROD
It might work well, just remember that an infinately big rad will only give water temps slightly above ambiant. So there are diminishing gains... What are your temps now as compared to ambiant?
my water system isn't up right now waiting for cathar's block to show up, he had a delay due to some sort of problem at work, anyway hopfully it will come sometime soon i hope.

anyway i know that larger you get the less return you get for a single cpu system but if you got like 3 or 4 or so computer all hooked up to the same radator, sort of like the setup airspriit has it would be much more benefical :) anyway i'm thinking of building an sort of deep freezer wind tunnel where it chills the air nice and chilly or better yet, build an sort of water tank and put the cooling elements into the tank, and put some antifreeze into the water, then u could do away with the radator and have nice chilly water :)

CoolROD 08-17-2003 11:17 PM

My next setup will be a bath system. I am trying to find the right coolant (non-conductive, liquid at low temps, etc). I am even going to submerge the hard drives (why not, they are in a vacuum??). I know there is research and data on this and I need to look into it some more, but I can't handle it right now.

mfpmax 08-18-2003 02:14 PM

And the drawbacks to improper coolant mixture the first time around.

http://www.ezekial.net/mfpmax/dtekopen.jpg

Since I refilled the setup once before, it kept the problem from increasing any further.

http://www.ezekial.net/mfpmax/dtektop.jpg

After I cleaned it up...you can see the anodized bits that aren't anodized anymore in the circles.

http://www.ezekial.net/mfpmax/maxiinlet.jpg

And the ONLY flaw I've found with the MaxiJet...the weak plastic inlet nose can be crushed or broken if too much pressure is applied.

This by no means is a downfall of anodized tops btw...

A substance called Pro Blend is what I used in the system that kept the corossion at bay.

Zhentar 08-18-2003 03:01 PM

CoolROD, I wouldn't be so sure about submerging the hard drives. Rusty075 at Silentpcreview killed 5 hard drives trying to submerge his entire system in oil before he gave up.

Hard drives don't have a vacuum; they use air to keep the heads from scraping the platters.

mfpmax 08-19-2003 05:00 PM

All done, new lines and clean water. I think i'll need a new waterblock top though.

http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/l/...aterrefill.jpg


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