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Varsis 04-21-2004 06:53 AM

To 24/7 or Not to 24/7. That is the question!
 
Alright guys, how many of you 24/7 you pumps? i know i do!
dam relays are like 30 bucks! plus my rig's always on anyways!
My rig

Brians256 04-21-2004 09:53 AM

24/7 because my rig is on 24/7 and a relay is just a waste of time and money. :D

Jabo 04-21-2004 10:14 AM

Got me TEC'ed rig, use to have it24/7 folding but was to expensive (two TECs) on electricity front and I stopped:(

krazy 04-21-2004 10:24 AM

For the time being, I unplug my pump and rad fans manually when I shut my machine down (which is not very often). Once I get my new tower and finally am able to build everything inside of it, I will have a somewhat extravagant setup that allows me to set the pump to either be on no matter what, off no matter what (using a momentary-type switch for safety) or be controlled by a relay on the PSU like most people do. The rad fans will also be powered independently of the main PSU and there will be a switch to set them to constantly on or PSU relay controlled. This way it will be easy to fill and bleed the system, as well as do quick checks by cycling the pump off and back on, etc.

I don't see any advantage to leaving the pump running constantly when the computer is powered down. Every pump has a lifespan, and each rotation just counts up on the odometer. I wouldn't mind setting up a circuit that would keep my pump and fans running for 20 or 30 seconds after a power down just to suck any remaining heat out of the machine instead of just letting it sit there and cook with no ventilation.

Boli 04-21-2004 10:29 AM

Occasionally, very ocasionaly when my computer is on the blink (about once a month) I switch everything of... normally it just runds 24/7 anyways. been swicted off about 8 times or so in a year.

Still works/.

sevisehda 04-21-2004 12:55 PM

I dont shut off the computer to do a fill and bleed. Its been off for about 15 minutes so far this year and that was only to replace the pump.

soja 04-21-2004 01:35 PM

I fold 24/7 ;)

Groth 04-21-2004 02:13 PM

I've one particular pump that's a year and a half old; it's been running the whole time except for a 30 minute break to move the computer to another room.

How come the non-24/7 people aren't talkin?

bigben2k 04-21-2004 02:27 PM

I usually leave my PC on 24/7, but I'll slap it in sleep mode, overnight. When I add the water cooling component, I'll be turning it off when not in use.

Jabo 04-21-2004 03:57 PM

If I had straight water cooled rig I'd have been running it 24/7 for sure....

Puzzdre 04-21-2004 04:31 PM

24/7 for about the yr and a half now. Occasionally off for maintenance and when I'm out from home for vacation. No problems at all :D

Cheers!

Pritorian 04-21-2004 05:41 PM

Allways on. The only time it goes down is mainteniens or a sec to reboot after ANOTHER! M$ update :confused:

Gooserider 04-21-2004 10:32 PM

24/7, Linux boxes don't need periodic rebooting. My box only goes down for hardware updates, moving, or other such tasks.

Gooserider

MMZ_TimeLord 04-22-2004 08:46 AM

24/7 as well... I used to run an FTP off it... now my water cooling rig is used as the backup for the FTP...

sandman 04-22-2004 07:32 PM

it's on for about 8 hours weekdays, and about 14 hours on weekend.

I shut it off when I got to school or sleep. Besides folding there's no reason to keep it on, and it makes my electric bill too high with the TEC and such.

Varsis 04-24-2004 02:08 AM

Hey Groth, i think they aren't talking because they are ASHAMED!
:D muhaha!
:cool:

TerraMex 04-24-2004 07:56 AM

Not really.
I dont use seti, ud, or others ... never liked those things.
I dont "download the internet" like alot of people do. I usually just borrow their hard drive, less hassle (and get all the goodies too). :D

I dont keep it on just "because"...
Only on when actually doing something.
Still, it's on most of the days. But not 24/7.
Besides. No "waste" of electricity.

Joe Camel 04-24-2004 09:03 AM

how can it help find a cure (FOLD!) if its not on?

TerraMex 04-24-2004 12:05 PM

I'm not going to apologize for finding "folding" irrelevant.
It simply strikes me as such. Wasting energy. Making alot of internet traffic thou.
I have yet to be proven that those programs actually do something, or have done. Maybe i'm wrong. But yet to be proven .
No source, except from those "dubious news sites" , have references of.

Anyway.
Some of my friends that do fold, most of the time use the numbers in a "dick size" way. Not for me, thanks.
Same as scores in 3dmark , Aquamark or others.
Dick size talk most of the times. No good out of it.

gruntledweasel 04-25-2004 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerraMex
I have yet to be proven that those programs actually do something, or have done. Maybe i'm wrong. But yet to be proven .
No source, except from those "dubious news sites" , have references of.

I've seen proof that at least one can do "something". I've got a buddy that ran one computer pretty much only as a router/seti@home folder for years. But they (his family) left the monitor on. The screensaver has actually burned into the monitor (and yes, it's a nice modern-ish one). Feels kinda funny saying a screensaver would do that, but it's true.

Now as far as doing something useful, aren't there some sub-ambient pelt cooling guys who need to keep cpu at ~full load so as to keep temps stable?

TerraMex 04-25-2004 06:53 PM

Hehe.
Didn't hear that before.
Burned into how? I mean, it just sounds odd. :)
Like a picture?

MMZ_TimeLord 04-25-2004 08:56 PM

gruntledweasle & TerraMex,

I know phosphorus "burning" or "ghosting" in monitors can happen, but is usually avoided in modern monitors due to their power saving features.

i.e. - They turn off the display after a set amount of inactivity.

LCD monitors are NOT at risk to this at all.

Most modern systems are like a car... if you drive lots of highway miles (don't shut it off much and keep it moving) then it will last longer (statistically speaking).

Hard drives spinning up and spinning down are the major cause of failure. I work in the Telco industry... we have hard drives that have been spinning for almost 20 years... they only fail when we have a power failure that causes a system shutdown.

gruntledweasel 04-25-2004 10:13 PM

Terramex: More like an overlay...there's just a ghostly image overlaying the actual screen. I'd post a pic if the machine in question weren't half a continent away from me.

I thought this was common knowledge, but here's a link.

MMZ_TimeLord: Um, I already knew that stuff. Which is why I made a point of noting that the monitor was relatively modern, and that it was not set to turn off (that's an OS function, not monitor). Modern CRT monitors will burn in if you give 'em enough time.

I just thought it was funny that a screensaver app caused burn-in. I hope I didn't give off the impression that I thought this was some kind of serious risk associated with distributed computing?

MMZ_TimeLord 04-26-2004 01:17 AM

gruntledweasel,

Not at all.. I just wanted to clarify... :D

Varsis 04-26-2004 04:35 AM

funny thing is screen savers were originally for old black and white monitors
they aren't needed for todays color monitors as time to burn on modern monitors takes MONTHS of consistant image.
maybe that monitor was overpowering the tube and thats what cased the burn, or a weak weak phosperous layer.
dont you guys just love my spellen!


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