Thanks, but the amount of force I have no number for really. As for the coefficient of friction, thanks for the number I have no way of knowing that number. Maybe an internet search but I figured with so many guys here with so much experience with this stuff I thought they may have a close approximation. Your guesstimate is close enough for now. That's a negligible number. I have most of the formulas but no access to the numbers to plug in. I have all my old text books but no other resources handy. Although equations are far from the tip of my tongue after 20 years

Thanks for the reply, with the very limited amout of force it would probably be seeing it's probably next ot nothing. I'll press on anyway, I just gotta have something to fiddle with