had my cousin come by the shop today to show him some of the things I want to make..he said that one of the tools that comes with the machine will work as a lather...so i am set for that...he looked @ the cascade and a few of you guys blocks on here and said what i could and couldn't do with it...he suggested I use a cheap material like alluminum to get the feel for it and for my prototypes...one I get them set up properly move into copper...if I land on something thats really cooking and I et people wanting to buy them he said he could take one to work and set up his CNC machine and give me an estimate on production runs