[Pug]

Originally Posted by pHaestus

It seems to make sense to me to have 4 distinct categories when evaluating a kit:

1) Ease of use (entry level =no modification to case is necessary for installation; emphasis given here on "fool proof"; typical means a few fan holes; advanced means some CNC req'd)
2) Quality of mfg (Goop? Leaks? Cobbled together in basement or absolutely stunning?)
3) Performance (lowest CPU temp wins)
4) Quiet (lowest noise levels win)

No kit would have perfect marks in all 4; can't be small and silent and cool...

BTW I am going to delete all car posts in this thread in 3...2...1

Good points pHaestus. Acknowledge 'em all.
I think we score fairly highly in most categories there if that's the design brief.
I can drop to a single 120mm rad now that cases with 120mm mounts as standard are becoming more commonplace but if people wanted to see a more direct comparison - we could easily make a kit using twin 80mms (unless Swiftech's forthcoming kit just happens to include a 120).

Thanks for the moderation. It's appreciated.

Originally Posted by unregistered

Pug
gonna have to ignore the clutter for the moment

wb & pump eh ?
well, with a given wb, pump, and rad there WILL be a single flow rate
-> do you know what the actual flow rate is in your system ?
if not, why not ? (j/k)

so then all one needs to do is look at that point on the curve, no ?
why are we making this so complex ?

if its a kit 'shoot out', fine
Swiftech will have to hold for a couple of weeks, new kit options coming - but even so a shoot out win is unlikely as we do not offer so large a rad in a kit
(and I must admit that the Swiftech kits are NOT oriented to maximum performance, maximum installation convenience is the clear goal)

Pug, a 'kit' as being defined here is a package of a complete WCing system with instructions

pHaestus
concur with your groupings, permits a user to measure by Their yardstick

BillA - off the top of my head, I don't know. I can get the info within 24 hours if it were needed but I don't think it is.
Why not? I'm not the design team, that's why. You can think of me as a salesman with a passion if it makes it easier...

All the parts I'm offering are available as a kit or separately. Hell, we'll even be selling parts of the block so that existing users of our products can upgrade their old blocks (if they bought the right ones)
We can wait that couple of weeks... I have to get the kit from Germany & forward it to the US. No problem.
What's your biggest rad(s) likely to be? I'm quite flexible you know.

(and I must admit that the Swiftech kits are NOT oriented to maximum performance, maximum installation convenience is the clear goal)

The kit I propose is all about max convenience & performance.

I concur with your definition of a 'kit'.

Originally Posted by HAL-9000

I think thats a great idea. It is the pumps and the blocks that seem to differentiate us.

Pretty much my point but as mentioned, I'm quite flexible.

can we use C-Systems pumps? And if so, how many are we limited to, because you can plug'em in in series

Sure. As many as we are allowed, eh?

Originally Posted by nightic

It's very possible that the German kits share that goal to an extent.

Most definitely.

Originally Posted by pH

This is really only worthwhile if we can get some of the big European mfgrs to submit complete kits. If so I think it would be really interesting for those of us in North America to get a chance to see how our Teutonic wc brethren have been developing.

Oh I don't know... trust me, I think it'll be worthwhile...
I don't think we'd need to send more than the kit I have in mind. Maybe if initial tests prove inconclusive...

(thanks for the props nightic )

Originally Posted by pH

well I didn't include price as one of my 4 prime criteria because it's so subjective.

This is very true. Perhaps it's best to forget I mentioned it (but in the UK, for what you'd be getting in the kit, it's a very good price ).