[Pug]

Originally Posted by unregistered

Pug
pHaestus has our std kit, H2O-8600, with 1, or 2, 80mm fan rads, 3/8"ID tubing, MCP600, etc.
- here we get into what you were describing, we sell that kit for 'silent' running (~18dbA@7V, 2 fans @~22dbA) though we do not say so
so right off I know that I will 'lose' the performance title, ah well

if you wish to hold to the spirit of this endeavor, I would suggest your 'silent' kit

Don't have much other than silent kits but can hold to that sort of noise floor.

Originally Posted by Blackeagle

Pug,

Any pics of the inside of the block you depicted as your first choice? It's a nice shiny one for sure.

Sorry mate, not just yet.

Originally Posted by Cathar

As a side note from this end of the world, Pug/Coolermeister are in the UK, which I personally perceive as being more on the US-side of the water-cooling market going by the content of the various forums over there.

Having the liberty to pick & choose easily from either side, you'll find users in both camps. CM tends to lean toward the US approach whilst I am more towards the German.
As you surmise, things have progressed toward reaching a more common ground... the tubing diameter has increased slightly for us and appears to be decreasing for the other camp. Hence the ability to consider this sort of head to head more easily, I'm sure.

Don't worry too much about sourcing the CF-2 just yet. As far as I am aware, the block I propose is more on a par with the Murks3 (not in mass-production - in the same way that your own blocks could be held in comparison to the Dtek WW).

Originally Posted by Meethoss

most guys I've spoken to seem to want a good balance between silence and power.

As mentioned, that's not just a US-centric concern.

Originally Posted by HAL-9000

I've also noticed, in all this international brouhaha we are having, that no one has mentioned the Japanese. Normally performance electronics and weird mod/tweaks on them are pretty common in Japan. Yet the country seems completely absent regarding representation in the water-cooling scene. Ever wonder why? I do, I think its strange.

I know of several users of German systems in Japan, fwiw. I'm sure there are proponents of both camps there though, much like the UK.

Originally Posted by Cathar

My best guess is 0.4-0.5GPM flow rates. Coincidentally they also put the RBX on par with the Cascade at those flow rates which certainly doesn't gel with any other reputable test (both public and private) - hence my strong desire to get the "best of the German blocks" over to Phaestus to test.

A figure of 52,1l/h @ 0,11bar was bandied about yesterday in regards to one of the high scorers in those tests fwiw.
Don't worry about footing the bill for the block when one is on offer - better to donate the cash to pH's testbench fund if you ask me. Rest assured, the block I propose will be in the WCP chart soon enough for your reference.

Originally Posted by pHaestus

Let me guess....you guys are going to want lower than 0.5 GPM flow rates for these tests

Originally Posted by unregistered

the question is: are any (reasonably expected) European flow rates expected below 0.5gpm ?

See above. I'll let you guys use your better judgement on that one (your testing experience far outweighs my own, obviously )

Originally Posted by pauldenton

i would suggest some reasonably desirable mid-tower (lian maybe?) on the basis that any kit that requires a pc70 or similar huge case is doomed to marginal appeal.....

Originally Posted by pHaestus

...Other than that I'd have to buy a case.

Well, with the level of expertise here, I think it would be fairly straightforward to assess potential ease of installation without actually purchasing said case. again, rather said necessary funds were funnelled towards testbench components for future benefit to all.


By the way - for those still obsessed with working to a price point ...

Originally Posted by Pug

a production kit that can compare to one of our sub-£200 ones

(emphasis mine) was the original statement. We've moved on from there in the interests of practical achievement to

Originally Posted by Pug

a similar kit to what we propose

I'm not going to get silly about it - many of you know I have a production radiator on my shelf that has mounts as standard for fifteen 120mm fans ...


side note - no sleep last night for me so sorry if I missed out any pertinent points...