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mklt · 05-26-2004, 05:25 PM

Wow, how many of you guys are chemical engineers? :shrug:

I am, so maybe I can help you through some of your concerns regarding Fluid XP.

Of course this is a free country and you can use anything you want in your systems but I have invested a great deal of money into my business and computer so I only want to use the best proven fluid for my cooling.

I have studied Fluid XP since it was first annouced about a year and a half ago.

First, for you Kronchev, They got the term Dihydrogen Oxide from the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet). This document is a document used when shipping any fluids/formulas/chemicals so that the shipper and receiver are sure of the product they are shipping and receiving. This is the correct term used because if you just say "water" the quality of the water is a unknown and can not be varified. This term is used to ensure it is certified as lab grade deionized water. Why would you, "stay away from these guys" when obviously they have taken the proper steps in correctly calling the deionized water as just that. They obviously have taken the appropriate steps in correctly managing the fluids productiom and certification. You mentioned you had two leaks. scary stuff. I'm glad it only ran to the bottom of your case. The internal leak in your Danner product is a perfect example of why you should consider Fluid XP because there is no guarantee of the quality of workmanship on products being shipped by manufactures. Yeah, they guarentee workmanship but they won't provide you with a new system if it is fried due to any leakage by their products. Check out the disclaimer. If you were using something like water wetter and distilled water or distilled water and Anti-freeze and it hit your board then you certainly would have fried your system. Water wetter contains alkaline. The same alkaline that is used in alkaline batteries. This is the acid (by the way acid is usually more conductive than water) that causes the ions/electrons to move thru the battery thus having a great ability to be conductive. (Unloaded)Snake-oil is obviously not a title for this fluid, in my opinion, but you can call it what you want. Oh, tap water is any where from 250-300 microSiemens/cm depending on the region of the country you live in.

Angryalpaca, cool name. Yes, there are alcohols that are known to weaken acrylic in a concentrated state but 1-dodeconol is a long chain polymer and is a different type of alcohol. plus the 1-dodeconol is in a concentration less than .05 percent by weight in Fluid XP. It usually is in the form of a solid and has to be disolved into a liquid to be properly used and even then it can leave some of it in a solid state until warmed. That's why you might see some small white flakes floating in Fluid XP. 1-dodeconol is used in Fluid XP as a anti-evaporative agent. It creates a very thin layer on the top of the surface, say in the reservoir, to keep the fluid from evaporating off so quickly. It basically makes a thin pseudo-plastic layer to keep in moisture.

Butcher and redleader, Anti-freeze is a lot like water wetter. The anti-freeze has alkaline in it. It also has stuff like Ethylene Glycol (Poisonous, enviromentally dangerous), Diethylene Glycol (Also posinous and environmentally dangerous), Dipotassium Phosphate (A salt thus improves conductivity), silicates (Small particles not really an issue) and sodium Benzoate (A salt usually used as a anti fungal still a salt which conducts electricity).

Some people use windshield washing fluid which is very dangerous not only because it is very conductive but it also contains Methyl Alcohol which is very flamable. If you read on the bottle you will see,"Use in a well ventalated area" or verbage like, "keep away from heat". This is because it is very flamable. If this stuff shorted out you system and there was a spark you could get a fire or even worse there could be an explosive environment created because the methyl Alcohol evaporates much quicker than the water so it is more concentrated as more pure concentrated alcohol. BOOM.

Bigben, The untested claims are what overclockers calls them. The conductivity claims were tested by SF Analytical in Milwaukee Wisconsin. I can probably get a copy of the document which states these conclusions. If you want to get a copy of this document then get me your email and I'll get a copy scanned and sent off to you if I can work it out. Better yet contact Integritypc, the company that I know is selling it, and they should have a copy of the letter to get to you.

If I can be of further assistance in understanding anything I'll be around.

I hope you all have a great day.
regards,
mklt

05-26-2004, 05:25 PM	#10
mklt Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2004 Location: Naperville, IL Posts: 7	Fluid XP Wow, how many of you guys are chemical engineers? :shrug: I am, so maybe I can help you through some of your concerns regarding Fluid XP. Of course this is a free country and you can use anything you want in your systems but I have invested a great deal of money into my business and computer so I only want to use the best proven fluid for my cooling. I have studied Fluid XP since it was first annouced about a year and a half ago. First, for you Kronchev, They got the term Dihydrogen Oxide from the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet). This document is a document used when shipping any fluids/formulas/chemicals so that the shipper and receiver are sure of the product they are shipping and receiving. This is the correct term used because if you just say "water" the quality of the water is a unknown and can not be varified. This term is used to ensure it is certified as lab grade deionized water. Why would you, "stay away from these guys" when obviously they have taken the proper steps in correctly calling the deionized water as just that. They obviously have taken the appropriate steps in correctly managing the fluids productiom and certification. You mentioned you had two leaks. scary stuff. I'm glad it only ran to the bottom of your case. The internal leak in your Danner product is a perfect example of why you should consider Fluid XP because there is no guarantee of the quality of workmanship on products being shipped by manufactures. Yeah, they guarentee workmanship but they won't provide you with a new system if it is fried due to any leakage by their products. Check out the disclaimer. If you were using something like water wetter and distilled water or distilled water and Anti-freeze and it hit your board then you certainly would have fried your system. Water wetter contains alkaline. The same alkaline that is used in alkaline batteries. This is the acid (by the way acid is usually more conductive than water) that causes the ions/electrons to move thru the battery thus having a great ability to be conductive. (Unloaded)Snake-oil is obviously not a title for this fluid, in my opinion, but you can call it what you want. Oh, tap water is any where from 250-300 microSiemens/cm depending on the region of the country you live in. Angryalpaca, cool name. Yes, there are alcohols that are known to weaken acrylic in a concentrated state but 1-dodeconol is a long chain polymer and is a different type of alcohol. plus the 1-dodeconol is in a concentration less than .05 percent by weight in Fluid XP. It usually is in the form of a solid and has to be disolved into a liquid to be properly used and even then it can leave some of it in a solid state until warmed. That's why you might see some small white flakes floating in Fluid XP. 1-dodeconol is used in Fluid XP as a anti-evaporative agent. It creates a very thin layer on the top of the surface, say in the reservoir, to keep the fluid from evaporating off so quickly. It basically makes a thin pseudo-plastic layer to keep in moisture. Butcher and redleader, Anti-freeze is a lot like water wetter. The anti-freeze has alkaline in it. It also has stuff like Ethylene Glycol (Poisonous, enviromentally dangerous), Diethylene Glycol (Also posinous and environmentally dangerous), Dipotassium Phosphate (A salt thus improves conductivity), silicates (Small particles not really an issue) and sodium Benzoate (A salt usually used as a anti fungal still a salt which conducts electricity). Some people use windshield washing fluid which is very dangerous not only because it is very conductive but it also contains Methyl Alcohol which is very flamable. If you read on the bottle you will see,"Use in a well ventalated area" or verbage like, "keep away from heat". This is because it is very flamable. If this stuff shorted out you system and there was a spark you could get a fire or even worse there could be an explosive environment created because the methyl Alcohol evaporates much quicker than the water so it is more concentrated as more pure concentrated alcohol. BOOM. Bigben, The untested claims are what overclockers calls them. The conductivity claims were tested by SF Analytical in Milwaukee Wisconsin. I can probably get a copy of the document which states these conclusions. If you want to get a copy of this document then get me your email and I'll get a copy scanned and sent off to you if I can work it out. Better yet contact Integritypc, the company that I know is selling it, and they should have a copy of the letter to get to you. If I can be of further assistance in understanding anything I'll be around. I hope you all have a great day. regards, mklt