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Originally Posted by HAL-9000

If you want socialized medicine, then you need to pay to all comers. If you start judging people who "f**ked up" as you say, then don't have one. I mean, what about all the fat people who ate at Mcdonalds? How about you, when you're heart goes out and the doctor says its your fault because you never got your a$$ out of a computer chair and got some excercise? Your fault! Or the guy who electrocutes himself building his computer...dumba$$ shoulda known better, right?

We tried this with the tobacco settlement. The evil tobacco companies were made to pay for their transgressions, and the costs it was placing on our socialized medical system. That was the argument. Who got the money? Trial lawyers and bureacrats. So now, most of that money is spent on nothing to do with tobacco or healthcare, such as building golf courses in New York state (I'm not kidding). The biggest single item the Feds spend their tobacco settlement income on? Subsidies for tobacco farmers! Ahhh, tobacco problem solved, thanks to Uncle Scam!

Either have your socialism or ditch it. The bling-bling judging people thing just doesn't work, and it turns into the tyranny of the majority, and a crappy program. Look at socialized medicine in the U.S. Its all sortsa managed and judging people via bureacrat is quite in vogue. Kid with cancer struggles, kid with "ADD" (which is bullsh$t IMO) gets free watered down methanphetamines called "Ritalin" and Granpa gets free Viagra at twice the OTC cost. That's goverment managed healthcare in action. Screw that.

then i dont favor complete "you **** up you dont get anything", i favor reduced payments. if I regularlly exercise and take care if myself, I should pay less, because ill be less of a burden to the system.