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Unread 07-06-2004, 06:37 PM   #301
Cathar
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Pug, there was no admission of "that the latest German/European production hardware will put yours to shame", although that is the key-card that you wish to attempt to push, for marketing reasons, and it is quite obvious to all who look on.

The system you presented is mostly a US-style system. It levels the playing field by using almost exactly the same design elements that US systems use. It's not that any of us think that the system you assembled is superior, but it no longer fits into even firtol88's category of " small quiet package that could perform as well as a ballsout system". The kit you assembled is a balls-out system. It proves nothing.

That it will do very, very well, I have no doubt. If I submitted my idea of a performance "kit", it wouldn't be much different in concept. The pump would be roughly the same power. The radiator would be roughly the same in size/performance. The fans would roughly be the same. So what would be different? The CPU block is what, and we already know that the NeXXoS XP is not something to be underestimated. None of us were under that illusion.

i.e. the kit you assembled is for all intents and purposes a "best of US-approach" kit. All else being equal, the only thing that would separate it from a top-end US kit would be the CPU waterblock.

There is no admission of anything. The only thing I see here is that there is a tacit admission by more modern European block makers that medium-high power pumps, and large unrestricted radiators, are somewhat key to getting higher performance out of a kit, but that's something that's been known for a long time now.

Like I said before, if all that comes out of this thread is that we (USa and Europe) are reaching a convergence between two previously dichotic design philosophies, then why the heck is anyone fighting about it any more? If what you say is true about more modern European equipment, then there is a convergence.

However, and I think that this statement from you best belies your truest intentions in all this:

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Originally Posted by Pug
I can cool every major heat producing component in my mid-tower PC with a fully internal setup using production, off-the-shelf, German parts with a 5 Watt pump and two low noise Papsts. Please show me a more efficient system using US production parts.
If that is true, and that is what you truly wanted to show and prove, then why was that not the kit you put up for this farce? Instead, the kit you proposed has a high-powered pump (more like 20W is my guess when run in AP1500 mode), specially commissioned HWLabs radiators, and a radiator who's size makes it quite difficult to fit into a mid-tower PC without significant modification.

The kit you presented is not what firtol88, an admitted ardent admirer of the European way, would appear to want in his system.

Even if the test does go ahead, and through the US-style parts you've assembled does manage to go on and "win" by a small amount, that still doesn't prove anything, because the kit is nothing like a "small, quiet, low-power" setup that fits neatly into a mid-tower case.
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