[Pug]

In reverse order,
Cathar - the Germans have always used 10mm ID and below since I've been in this game.
Pump power has generally been at the level of E1048 and below.
You are either intentionally clouding things here or are very misinformed. In either case, I think you should check your facts before continuing to be so vocal.
You may be confused about what is German but most here will accept that German tends to mean native to Germany in origin. The HWLabs series of radiators is used widely throughout the watercooling scene in kits originating from Denmark, US and Germany. The German-specific version (with interchangeable connectors) is, I believe, exclusive to Alphacool.


Chew Toy - umm, you don't appear to be cooling PSU, HDDs or Motherboard voltage regulators with your setup. May I respectfully suggest that you look more closely at my pic.


Cathar - you accuse me of hijacking the original intent of this thread?
Do you forget how off-topic it was at the time I came in (prior to pHaestus' editing of posts?)
My challenge was to call out those claiming that "adequate" was a German byword and implied that we had no performance offerings whatsoever. Don't twist it further. You insult me enough.
I asked if I should make a seperate thread - no-one advised me to.


Nigel - it would appear that Pro Cooling is set in its ways regarding testing components individually.
A shame as in my opinion, this kit would provide the makings of a rudimentary test setup which one might think would keep proponents of both low & high flow happier than the pump and rad used in the WCP testbench (with the mere swapping of blocks easily facilitated whilst keeping the rest of a system the same.
It might even be of interest to the general public to get real world results of a kit cherry-picked to suit many enthusiasts.

I feel it would also prove that as well as apparently having a block which sends goosebumps down the spines of the "major players" here, we have a pump and version of the BIX II which is superior (in adaptability, if nothing else) to US offerings, so obviously a Pro-US-centric site might conceivably have a problem admitting that and might prefer not to test it. :shrug:

Cathar (Quote) - you go right ahead mate, I've wasted enough time on this myself and if it's likely to be two years before this test rolls around, as with the last German block submitted for review, you have plenty of time to organise it.
All I have to do is look at my sales figures over the past and I know what is popular. I went through an initial phase of selling mainly 10mm ID German parts until people woke up to the fact that narrower bore can work just as well (and in some cases, such as the complete system cooling setup I showed, may actually have advantages).

Originally Posted by Cathar

If that is true, and that is what you truly wanted to show and prove, then why was that not the kit you put up for this farce?

Because that's something I've already shown and proven.
My point was to show that we not only have performance kits available but that they are amongst the best in the world. Way above "adequate" <-- Please try to absorb this fact this time as I'm fed up of repeating it.

My quote that admission of defeat had already been forthcoming was based on BillA's admission that on performance, we had already surpassed Swiftech's offering.
There was a quote earlier, long since edited out, where BillA hinted that there were "too many egos to seek the common ground", I can only assume he was referring to components moving towards 3/8".
We are still on the shallow side of this with this particular kit if the reference is to ID rather than OD, as I understand it, with 7mm being closer to 1/4" but as I said, we have always maxed out at 10mm ID (although this was with barbs rather than push fittings, so at points in the system, obviously our ID dropped below this).
As a UK representative, I'll admit, I have long promoted the use of slightly larger ID systems, such as the new G1/4 offerings and their 8mm ID. They are a relief to me to be able toget, even though smaller ID still has its own inherent benefits, it doesn't suit everyone. I'm not interested in much over this bore as it is my perception that there is little more advantage to be had without sacrificing many other things, such as easy installation and lack of disruption to airflow.


Firtol - that is one of Alphacool's kits. Check the product pages. They have plans to introduce approximately 80 different kit configurations in the coming weeks. There has never been a better choice available (to my knowledge) from any manufacturer.
Sure, I added AS5 (I had a good price on it) and upped the fans to GMLs (I didn't know they were being phased out and as there were 12/7v adaptors included, figured that people might appreciate the greater performance whilst retaining the ability to tune the system to acceptable noise levels).

Originally Posted by BillA

"German/Eu vs US was the spirit of this challenge, not low flow versus high flow." was NOT my interpretation
mine was high flow vs. low flow,
the geography was only related to the source of these type designs

Then you interpreted wrongly.
Remember who issued the challenge? Me.
Know why I issued it? (I've told you enough times)
I issued it in reponse to your statement - "the US is performance driven (the vocal part of the market anyway), Europeans are more appreciative of the phrase adequate"

Originally Posted by BillA

-> you running a bit of a scam on us Pug ?

Please be more specific in your allegations.



HAL -

in response to your efficiency questions, I can cool every component in my computer with Swiftech parts and a single 80mm Papst fan. For ultimate "efficiency" by your measure, Koolance takes the cake. It even cools the hard drive, and for 150 euros cheaper to boot! The trick we care about is how cold it gets.

The efficiency angle is a seperate issue. That's my own rig that I built before I even knew about Alphacool and their products (although it still utilises all parts which are completely German in origin). If you look closer, you'll see that it does cool my HDD too. It also cools my PSU and voltage regs. To my knowledge, Swiftech doesn't offer the requisite parts to do that and the Koolance system, although I'm not qualified to comment on it, doesn't appear to be of quite the same quality.

Originally Posted by HAL-9000

What I wonder, and want to test really, is see how good those German blocks like the NexXxos can be with opened up flow. I mean the NexXxos HP-Pro you sell is an impingement block. Non Einstienian-physics says it would work better with a wider entry over the impingement zone, with more nozzles then whats there so long as it can maintain the same pressure per nozzle, i.e. : 1/2" ID tubing and a manifold to match. Why doesn't the company want take their own top o dee line block up a level? As a performance minded guy Pug, don't you wonder about that? I mean you sell the stuff...

:? They already have taken it up a level with the introduction of the NexXxoS XP. No 1/2" tubing necessary.
Were they to switch to 1/2", I probably wouldn't use it due to incompatibility with my current system and the perceived need to upgrade my pump.


I don't need to come in here and crow that we are ahead of you in this game. I don't even need you to admit it. I just wanted people to stop unneccesarily slamming these parts. This is one way I thought I could achieve that. Was I right or wrong to do it like I did?
If I was wrong, what can I do to achieve my goal?


I'm now at the point where I'm so disillusioned by the attitude of this supposedly influential forum, I'm almost prepared to throw in the towel and sell up; martyring myself in the interests of the common good and the interests of progress.
Perhaps then, the allegations of my vested interest might be discounted (although based on my experience of this thread so far, I'm not even sure if that would make a difference).