[Cathar]

There you go again Pug. Under the continual delusion that we're all "scared" of the "big bad Germans" and their water-cooling blocks. Keep it up. You seem to be arguing with a fictitious enemy.

Some examples of your delusional point of view:

Originally Posted by Pug

My point was to show that we not only have performance kits available but that they are amongst the best in the world. Way above "adequate" <-- Please try to absorb this fact this time as I'm fed up of repeating it.

I never said that they weren't adequate. In fact:

Originally Posted by Cathar

That it (the "German" kit) will do very, very well, I have no doubt.

Originally Posted by Pug

Cathar - the Germans have always used 10mm ID and below since I've been in this game.
Pump power has generally been at the level of E1048 and below.
You are either intentionally clouding things here or are very misinformed.

Where did I say otherwise? I'm struggling to understand why you felt it necessary to make this point as I did not say otherwise.

Let's move on:

Originally Posted by Pug

My challenge was to call out those claiming that "adequate" was a German byword and implied that we had no performance offerings whatsoever. Don't twist it further. You insult me enough.
I asked if I should make a seperate thread - no-one advised me to.

Nobody claimed that there were no "performance" German offerings. The phrase "adequate" was used to describe the "typical Germanic" approach as outlined by nightic in his opening post.

Starting to establish a pretty strong pattern here by now as to your real marketing intent here though. Rather than champion that nightic's perception of the German approach can be defended as high performance, you come along and change the definition of what nightic outlines as a German approach with your test setup.

You're right - you should have started a different thread.

Originally Posted by Pug

It might even be of interest to the general public to get real world results of a kit cherry-picked to suit many enthusiasts.

..and I suggested that a more appropriate person to "cherry pick" a USA system would be the USA equivalent of yourself, being a USA reseller.

It would be of great interest, otherwise I wouldn't have suggested it. However, here you go again claiming that we somehow shied away from the challenge, rather than what we really did, which was suggest a more level playing field.

Originally Posted by Pug

I feel it would also prove that as well as apparently having a block which sends goosebumps down the spines of the "major players" here

There's the autocratic arrogance again. People here, including myself, are going out of their way to get a hold of these blocks to see what they can do. Far from being "goosebumped", they're confronting the situation head on.

That's an amazingly twisted perception in terms of what you perceived vs what was said and the actions taken by others you accuse.

Cathar (Quote) - you go right ahead mate

Already had. I'll fund a "Cherry Pick of Australia" kit with the Australian results I get, should this challenge ever go ahead.

Originally Posted by Pug

My quote that admission of defeat had already been forthcoming was based on BillA's admission that on performance, we had already surpassed Swiftech's offering.

Where did Bill say this? I didn't see it. Please point it out. Or is this another assembling of "facts" to suit your perception of reality?

Originally Posted by Pug

As a UK representative, I'll admit, I have long promoted the use of slightly larger ID systems, such as the new G1/4 offerings and their 8mm ID. They are a relief to me to be able toget, even though smaller ID still has its own inherent benefits, it doesn't suit everyone. I'm not interested in much over this bore as it is my perception that there is little more advantage to be had without sacrificing many other things, such as easy installation and lack of disruption to airflow.

10mmID can be arguably seen as a "common" ground between the two approaches. It appears to be the upper-limit of "German", and the lower limit of "US". This is why I talked about convergence.

Still, I wonder if anyone has ever actually measured the "air-flow" difference for a 10mm ID vs 8mm ID hosed system. It seems to be something that gets bandied about a fair bit, but is never really quantified in any major way, or is it what most people rightfully call it, marketing FUD?

Originally Posted by Pug

I don't need to come in here and crow that we are ahead of you in this game. I don't even need you to admit it. I just wanted people to stop unneccesarily slamming these parts. This is one way I thought I could achieve that.

There's that autocratic arrogance again. What? We should all just take your word as gospel because you said so? Heaven forbid we should debate the issue, huh? Heaven forbid that we should analyse just what is really being put up for test here, especially given the "spirit" of the opening post, and the fairly vast differences between that and what you've put up. To use your own words: <-- Please try to absorb this fact this time as I'm fed up of repeating it.