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Silent Bob · 07-07-2004, 03:31 PM

Here in Portugal we also have our own "Pug".

They try to convince an audience that something is the way they say it is, even if they don´t have the technical knowledge to backup their claims. These marketing skills usually work with the regular custumer. But the Procooling forums users are proving to be some very tough custumers! After all, this is the place "Where the completely addicted come to talk".

I don´t think Pug is doing this with bad intentions, but people like Cathar or BillA tend to overreact when someone puts their scientific knowlegde in doubt without providing technical proof for doing so. These guys only trust hard data from rigorous testing, which they work so hard to achieve.

The Wcing kit described by Pug as "adequate"(Low-flow block/Low-flow pump/Restrictive radiator/1/8" fittings/6mm tube ID) is certainly the most common setup here in Europe. It's strongest point is the easy routing of the tube inside the case.

But he proposes a "performance"kit for testing(Low-flow block/High-flow pump/heatercore type radiator/1/4" fittings/8mm tube ID). Which is a clear approach to a US kit. Eheim 1046 is the norm here and anything above a 1048 is almost impossible to be found in an EU system. The use of Black Ice radiators is becoming increasingly popular in Europe because of the reasons I already said before.

It makes no sense to test this european "performance" kit against a US "performance" kit, because the main difference between the two of them would be the waterblock. So it would make more sense to just test the waterblocks.

What troubles me is that here in europe the common watercooling user sees the results in WCP and extrapolates them into a "Low-flow system kicks ass of High-Flow system". That's why I would like to see a "adequate" typical EU system versus a typical US system. For that end, I agree on the choices of Alphacool vs Swiftech.

Now, let´s stop bashing Pug and give the man a chance to at least supply the material to pHaestus.

edit: just read BillA's post... guess all hope is now lost for a peaceful solution then.

07-07-2004, 03:31 PM	#336
Silent Bob Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lisbon, Portugal Posts: 10	Here in Portugal we also have our own "Pug". They try to convince an audience that something is the way they say it is, even if they don´t have the technical knowledge to backup their claims. These marketing skills usually work with the regular custumer. But the Procooling forums users are proving to be some very tough custumers! After all, this is the place "Where the completely addicted come to talk". I don´t think Pug is doing this with bad intentions, but people like Cathar or BillA tend to overreact when someone puts their scientific knowlegde in doubt without providing technical proof for doing so. These guys only trust hard data from rigorous testing, which they work so hard to achieve. The Wcing kit described by Pug as "adequate"(Low-flow block/Low-flow pump/Restrictive radiator/1/8" fittings/6mm tube ID) is certainly the most common setup here in Europe. It's strongest point is the easy routing of the tube inside the case. But he proposes a "performance"kit for testing(Low-flow block/High-flow pump/heatercore type radiator/1/4" fittings/8mm tube ID). Which is a clear approach to a US kit. Eheim 1046 is the norm here and anything above a 1048 is almost impossible to be found in an EU system. The use of Black Ice radiators is becoming increasingly popular in Europe because of the reasons I already said before. It makes no sense to test this european "performance" kit against a US "performance" kit, because the main difference between the two of them would be the waterblock. So it would make more sense to just test the waterblocks. What troubles me is that here in europe the common watercooling user sees the results in WCP and extrapolates them into a "Low-flow system kicks ass of High-Flow system". That's why I would like to see a "adequate" typical EU system versus a typical US system. For that end, I agree on the choices of Alphacool vs Swiftech. Now, let´s stop bashing Pug and give the man a chance to at least supply the material to pHaestus. edit: just read BillA's post... guess all hope is now lost for a peaceful solution then. Last edited by Silent Bob; 07-07-2004 at 03:42 PM.