I wasnt defensive, just pointing out that my comments were based on hearsay just as I said in the begining and I really dont care about the temps on the cards

I was just passing on some info I heard
I just find it rather silly that mfg's are selling water coolers on the cards stock. or "stock" as in out of the box.
Oh well... I am just gunna wait and buy an Ultra I think... Dual DVI goodness... the only reason I dont buy a GT!