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Originally Posted by pHaestus
I wouldn't call the current GOP "conservative" either cybersamurai. Their expansion of the size and role of government runs exactly counter to conservatism.
Yea Lothar it is interesting that people think of social liberalism as "wanting the government out of my personal life" when actually that's a very conservative stance. Things got screwed up in the US due to the religious right who identify themselves as conservatives but who are actually very much in favor of government involvement in moral issues (prayer in schools but not evolution, prohibiting abortions, prohibiting gay marriage, big penalties for drug use, etc etc). All involve the expansion of government into areas not really their business.
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Take a look at our foreign policy. Traditional conservative views were non-interventionist.
I'm with you Bill, the one aspect of the liberal definition I don’t like the natural goodness...in my opinion one should be an "...Optimist without illusions" (JFK)