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Originally Posted by nexxo
Don't feel the need to hold back. First (for clarification), I'm Dutch. Second, I agree with everything you say (you may notice in my history lesson I refer to the UK and the Netherlands when it comes to passing out the blame. When it comes to colonial history, the Dutch can pride themselves on being particularly cruel and abusive --most "efficient" slave traders, last ones to give this up, pulling off some serious war crimes in Indonesia after we were liberated from German occupation --I guess the Nazis taught us well).
My point was that our nations are all to blame. We are not swooping in like heros to save the Iraqis from oppression and bring them the shining light of democracy; the best we can say is that we are trying to clean up our shitty mess that we created in the first place, and that we share a good bit of responsibility for those mediapathic pictures of mass graves. So let's stop pretending that we are such good guys, and that the Iraqis are so grateful to us, and have no reason whatsoever to hate our guts.
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Certainly, America did turn a blind eye to many things during the cold war. Something that none of us is very proud of as Bill pointed out in his earlier post. However, that does not make us bad guys for taking a stand on freedom now. As far as the average Iraqi is concerned...they are happy we removed Saddam and much of the problems you see right now are due to outside insurgence.
The pictures I posted are all from the cameras of the people in my unit. Since it is the digital camera era, we all swapped photos. All the pictures were taken over several months. What most amazes me is that several seconds of footage on the news trump’s guys coming back and telling you things are not as bad as the news makes them out to be. Moreover, if they show you pictures you still don’t believe it.
You would think people would be a little more sophisticated and realize the news organizations have an agenda. It is not a right or left, liberal or conservative agenda, it is to sensationalize events so you tune in or read the article so they can make money.