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Originally Posted by nexxo
I think there's a difference between having an interesting discussion and deconstructing someone's obviously important core beliefs, so I will not carry on too much (also it becomes really hard to keep following up those non-sequitor responses to my arguments), but aside from that the Americans did stay out of WWII until they got zapped in Pearl Harbour and the whole thing sort of became a personal concern to them, I do not think you can keep responding to my arguments just by drawing some spurious comparison with totally unrelated scenarios.
Like the US soldiers in WWII, I respect what you personally are trying to do, and your personal motives and beliefs for doing so. But do not think that our governments have such noble motives, and do not think that in effect we are not doing anything more than cleaning up a mess we were partly responsible for making. There are US and UK chemicals in the dead bones in those mass graves.
I'll leave the rest to Torin and superart.
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If we are only cleaning up the mess that "we" created, then at least we can agree that there is a mess that needs cleaning. Honestly, I am less concerned with fixing the blame and more concerned with fixing the problem.
To be analogous I am less concerned with bends in the river and more concerned where the river ultimately ends. As a student of history and warfare, I have seen many wars the start off with one pretext and end with a new meaning. Our civil war is a prime example. Starts off about secession and ends being about slavery. Afghanistan is another example. It started being about payback for 9/11 and is ending in liberation and democracy for the Afghan people. The river took many twists but it ended in the right place.