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Lothar5150 · 11-07-2004, 03:49 PM

PHaestus- I think you have some foundation for your concerns regarding the religious right but I don’t think they do any permanent harm. If you look at our history, every attempt to limit civil liberties has failed and every enlargement of civil liberties has succeeded. The religious right will get the few days in the sun and then they will go too far and then will be seen as small minded as in the past. Then the right will loose the vote of we who economic and foreign policy conservatives but social progressives.

There really is no move toward "Christian" values the population groups that voted are constant with every election. Kerry lost by 3.5 million votes out of over 114 million. Hardly a slide toward Amish living.

In terms of gay rights, I think that this will end up in the Supreme Court just as civil rights ended up in the Court. Moreover, my guess is once again it will be an issue of equal protection. The court will be forced to define the concept of marriage and what the governments roll is in a marriage. I think in the end they will boil marriage down to a legal contract regarding largely division of assets and custody of children. Then Court will say well are we talking about semantics here or is this a real difference...

Some worry about the next Justices appointed to the court however, people forget Chief Justice Earl Warren was a card-carrying member of the KKK and at first considered a very conservative judge. Low and behold, he ended up as the great champion of civil rights and defined the activist court. The reason Justices are appointed for life is so they can be above politics and be a buffer against the tyranny of the many against the rights of the few.

People are worried about the Court reversing on Roe v. Wade. However, it is very rare for the Court to reverse a decision. To the best of my knowledge, it has never reversed on a decision in order to remove a right.

Stem Cell research will continue. In fact, I would say that you could expect California and private sector to lead the way. In the big picture, the Bush administrations stand on Federal Stem Cell Research was the best thing that could have happened to California once again companies will come hear for research and development. This could make California the second largest economy in 10-15 years...Sorry fly over country.

11-07-2004, 03:49 PM	#444
Lothar5150 Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Surf City USA Posts: 433	PHaestus- I think you have some foundation for your concerns regarding the religious right but I don’t think they do any permanent harm. If you look at our history, every attempt to limit civil liberties has failed and every enlargement of civil liberties has succeeded. The religious right will get the few days in the sun and then they will go too far and then will be seen as small minded as in the past. Then the right will loose the vote of we who economic and foreign policy conservatives but social progressives. There really is no move toward "Christian" values the population groups that voted are constant with every election. Kerry lost by 3.5 million votes out of over 114 million. Hardly a slide toward Amish living. In terms of gay rights, I think that this will end up in the Supreme Court just as civil rights ended up in the Court. Moreover, my guess is once again it will be an issue of equal protection. The court will be forced to define the concept of marriage and what the governments roll is in a marriage. I think in the end they will boil marriage down to a legal contract regarding largely division of assets and custody of children. Then Court will say well are we talking about semantics here or is this a real difference... Some worry about the next Justices appointed to the court however, people forget Chief Justice Earl Warren was a card-carrying member of the KKK and at first considered a very conservative judge. Low and behold, he ended up as the great champion of civil rights and defined the activist court. The reason Justices are appointed for life is so they can be above politics and be a buffer against the tyranny of the many against the rights of the few. People are worried about the Court reversing on Roe v. Wade. However, it is very rare for the Court to reverse a decision. To the best of my knowledge, it has never reversed on a decision in order to remove a right. Stem Cell research will continue. In fact, I would say that you could expect California and private sector to lead the way. In the big picture, the Bush administrations stand on Federal Stem Cell Research was the best thing that could have happened to California once again companies will come hear for research and development. This could make California the second largest economy in 10-15 years...Sorry fly over country.