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Originally Posted by Kobuchi

Try that on the 9/11 families. I can't believe you're so hollow, so I'll forget the comments.

I don't remember anyone declaring war on New York, or dropping flyers warning civilians that an attack is immanent and that they should evacuate.

Originally Posted by Kobuchi

The magic words are democracy and freedom, I guess. This explains Chalabi.

You should anticipate news events as the debate proceeds. Otherwise I'll keep lining you up against them: U.S. forces battle way into Fallujah; Sunni clerics urge boycott of elections
"The move against Fallujah prompted influential Sunni Muslim clerics to call for a boycott of national elections set for January. A widespread boycott among Sunnis could wreck the legitimacy of the elections, seen as vital in Iraq's move to democracy. U.S. commanders have said the Fallujah invasion is the centrepiece of an attempt to secure insurgent-held areas so voting can be held. "
One could spin this cause-and-effect 180 degrees, and perpetuate the luxury of blaming dark forces for Iraq's troubles, but that won't help.

How is that not freedom? They will be free to choose weather or not they want to participate in their country's government. If they choose not to participate, that is their choice. They are being given the opportunity. It is up to them if they want to take it or not. Usually less than half of eligible voters in America participate in elections. Does that mean the Americans aren't free to participate in their own government?

Originally Posted by Kobuchi

How's that? They tolerated foreign journalists. Better kill just the journalists then. Wouldn't you rather shoot dead a few disobedient CBS cameramen than demolish an entire hospital of Iraqis? Surely this could have been arranged.

There's a thin line between sarcasm and obscurity. You are no where near it. I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say here.

Originally Posted by Kobuchi

Both hospitals destroyed were taken out early and at long range. Missiles/bombs. But sure if snipers were in there this would be a problem eventually. Why do Fallujans think they need to defend their hospitals?

First and foremost, the vast majority of the fighters are not Fallujans. They are foreigners who entered the country illegally for one reason, and one reason only. They want to fight America. They don't want to free Iraq, they just want to fight America. Iraq just happens to be where America currently is, so thats where they are.

Also, they were not defending the Hospitals, they were using the hospitals as part of their offensive infrastructure. In war, the idea is to make the enemy incapable of fighting by taking out their offensive infrastructure. Thats what we did, now the enemy is less capable of fighting.

They knew that such places would be targets, yet they chose to place them in civilian buildings such as hospitals and clinics. It could be argued that by making such a choice, the insurgents that entered Iraq Illegally destroyed those hospitals, and they used America to do it.